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They buy a lot more stuff from people than they show as well. I'm sure they show the better scenes. You can see some shots are a little pre-planned due to the camera crew being there before they pull in or inside a store they can't get in until the owner gets there.... 
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| the episode with them going under the bridge tunnel was when they were upstate n.y. its about 5 mins from my house. (east rochester) , |
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The Von Dutch XAVW bike, Frankly... thats awesome.
Ive read about this bike before. Its amazing with the time and resources what can be found, and is still out there to be rediscovered, and purchased. That was one lucky find. Im surprised it sold so cheap.. Mike would have paid over 25K easily.
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Just caught that episode, awesome find no doubt, but Mike went way over the line this time and was a complete douchebag in trying to lowball them out of it from the start, just embarrassing really for the show, and it shows how much of a jerkoff Mike is, vw lover or not.
If something like this turns up he should of showed alot more respect towards the owners and paid their price without haggling, such a lowlife move even for a real picker which he is not. I feel bad for the sellers who could of easily sold this for double even through a broker, which is what I'm sure Mike will do eventually. |
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It's easy to call someone names and not look at your own behavior. So he haggled? So you never price shop on the items you buy? You never go to wal-mart? When you buy a item from a garage sale you always pay the posted price? How about craigs list? If not you are taking money from the pockets of the people on this board, not just one person on a TV show. It's easy to get caught up in the prices you see for things on TV but it's TV so it's *&%#ing FAKE! Those cars you see sell for big bucks at auction cost the owner 15 to 10% of the selling price to sell. Did Mike demand a buyers fee? No he did what you would do, he got the best price he could. If you want to say he got a deal or the sellers should have held out that's cool. To persinaly attack someone over a TV show lowers who you are.
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| It's easy to call someone names and not look at your own behavior. So he haggled? So you never price shop on the items you buy? You never go to wal-mart? When you buy a item from a garage sale you always pay the posted price? How about craigs list? If not you are taking money from the pockets of the people on this board, not just one person on a TV show. It's easy to get caught up in the prices you see for things on TV but it's TV so it's *&%#ing FAKE! Those cars you see sell for big bucks at auction cost the owner 15 to 10% of the selling price to sell. Did Mike demand a buyers fee? No he did what you would do, he got the best price he could. If you want to say he got a deal or the sellers should have held out that's cool. To persinaly attack someone over a TV show lowers who you are. |
Just for the record. I only haggle when someone is trying to gouge me on price, thats it. Otherwise I buy and sell at fair prices as its good karma. Haggling to screw someone at well below market value only makes you look like a cheap ass douchebag.
Also my time is far more valuable to me over price shopping. Wasting a ton of time to save $10 or $20 also costs you more in time and only makes you look like a foolish twat.
I also never shop at The Great Wall of Chinamart for dozens of reasons, if if you can't even guess a few of those major reasons why, you are a part of the big problem in this country. I always try to buy either local or American made first, and its a big exception when I don't, and if you aren't doing the same you are again part of the big problem in this country.
Outside of that, Mike went way way over the line on this buy. We're not talking about haggling over some kitschy stupid so-called collectible $50 item or some Walmarty item.
If these guys weren't on a TV show my bet is the owners would of tossed their manipulative asses off the property, and they should have. Mike knows what this XAVW was/is worth, he isn't stupid, and it was easily worth 2 if not 3X the $25K they wanted, but Mike instead insults the owners with a first offer for $10K less than that, and thats when the sellers should of tossed these clowns. So that insult alone is why Mike is a douchebag.
The show had an opportunity to actually display a little hubris and respect for the owners for what this item was, and take the high road here, and based on how things looked over there at the sellers property, who could of obviously used the cash, Mike instead took the low road and blew it, plus made it look to everyone watching that you can just walk up to anyone now with something exceptionally rare and insult them with an offer, a real POS move, and it is what it is.
At least Pickers had the obvious horsesense not to put a value on it as they normally do at the end, or have one of their experts assess its value, because if they did many viewers would of been outraged finding out Mike had really screwed the sellers out of what they had. Those that know what this XAVW is and the provenance behind it knows how badly they screwed the sellers out of it, period.
Don't think either for a moment that these sellers thought of Mike any differently than I do really, or haven't heard from dozens of others already that the Picker boys screwed them. I feel bad for them and anyone else that doesn't grasp why. |
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The sellers had the option to tell Mike to go fuck himself. They didn't.
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Well since you feel strongly enough to follow the two wrongs make a right rule and call someone you know only what a TV show (fake, not real) has told you names. Don't watch the show. I will only ask you don't follow in what you see is Mikes example and leave the people who enjoy the show in peace.
Speaking of the show. The guy in the last show with a garage full of old import bikes and I need to be friends 
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| ......Mike knows what this XAVW was/is worth, he isn't stupid, and it was easily worth 2 if not 3X the $25K they wanted, but Mike instead insults the owners with a first offer for $10K less than that, and thats when the sellers should of tossed these clowns. So that insult alone is why Mike is a douchebag. .... . |
Perhaps the deal was done long before the cameras rolled and what you saw was what the writers put in the script?
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Tikiwerks, the way you describe mike is *exactly* the way most folk view all VW folks.
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| Tikiwerks, the way you describe mike is *exactly* the way most folk view all VW folks. |
X2 for sure.
remember when the show first started, and the little cash register noise would go off and it would say:
Picked: 25.00
SOLD : 180.00
then it changed to:
Picked: 25.00
VALUED: 180.00
i wonder if people in the early shows started to bitch because they felt ripped off. although, no one put a gun to anyones head either.
i just talked to a friend who knows someone that was taped for pickers. he was telling me that they went to the house, bought some stuff and as they were leaving, the seller noticed they left some stuff behind. supposedly one of them said "throw that shit away, we just needed some tape time"
yep, that reality tv for ya.
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I always bargain for a better price. Why pay the asking or retail price for something, when you KNOW its always padded for negotiations. Thats goes for new and used items. If that makes me a cheapass cheapskate... I can deal with that.. Its more money in my pocket in the end.
I think the XAVW was sold too cheap, but I wasn't the owner, so really its not my place to judge the sellers. It obviously was the right price for them, under camera pressure or not.. its still thier choice. They could have easily said....Not for sale, 10k or 100k.
If you own something near and dear to your heart, consider selling it, then accept a price, its your business. If later you find out you could have sold it for 3 times what you actually sold it for, its your own fault for not knowing, or doing your research. Sellers remorse... You really cant fault any buyer for getting the best deal possible..
Its called free enterprise. Buy cheap and sell dear... IS the American way like it or not.
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Okay I guess it's my turn to say something....
I was filmed for a different show that is a lot more realistic but still had "creative" edits and stuff left on the floor (1 1/2 hours got 10 minutes of "air" time). I sold a piece that I had $350 on for the haggle price of $270 (wanted $275 big loss  ) the show then goes on to say it was worth $800. Sorry there is no way it would sell for $800. Myself I was fine with what I got for it and it was gone with money in my pocket. In the real world they traded it and some other stuff for a car that they then traded for another car and sold for big bucks so it took a few months and a lot of leg work to get to the end product of money in their pockets.
Next I was at a tag sale yesterday that one of recent shows was filmed at (American Pickers). I bought 2 pieces very reasonable from him and he was happy. He just wanted all the stuff gone. This was actually the second time he sold them as he got them back from the first buyer who changed his mind a few years later.
Now I drove and ate and slept on the road for 2 days and filed 1/2 of my van. I have about 500 miles (16 mpg) and 36 hours of our time. The 2 pieces ( I did get other stuff too from a bunch of other stops) will have to cleaned (a lot) and some repainting. I also will have to to a bunch of repairs and maintenance. After that is all done I will take them to a antique show 45 miles away and put them in my space that costs $330 for the show under my rental tent of $340. I hope to double (maybe a bit more) my original investment BEFORE any of the expenses. And then if I don't sell them I get to haul them around (and store them) as I don't have a shop (none of that overhead and time). Yes there may be a day that I could sell them for 4X the cost but to wait for that day costs money.
Yes the sellers of the motorcycle could have gotten 100K on a good day with every star lined up but to do that would cost money. Put your VW in Barrett Jackson's and get stupid money for it but it will cost you... Sellers premium, catalog fees, transportation, etc. Or you can sell it to a person that is handing you cash and you do nothing and you don't have to wait for it to "really" sell. I know of many an auction that just because the auctioneer said sold does not mean it was really sold and it then appears again and again (and again).
And lastly.... Most of the filmed people are "found" way before the Pickers show up. There is a lot of "Danielle" calling and adds placed before they go "freestyling". My filming the "star" came by and saw something he liked and kept going by and then the crew showed up with all the paperwork and mics. Again I was impressed how real the show is (was) and he was talking to me on how they wanted to make sure it was real and not "we are going to ask $xxx" and never sell it.
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well, sometimes the first money is the best money. no one realizes that.
i went to look at a car that was overpriced by about 500.00. then drove said car, and decided it needed about 800 to 1K worth of work. after all the b.s. back and forth, i walked for 100.00 difference. no sooner did we hit the road, the seller started to text me. i thought, eat it buddy and never looked back.
when you have folding green and are willing to deal, it feels good to walk away. this guy knew the minute we left it could be a long while before it sold. i love when people think about things after the fact. plus he had 'offers'. well, we are here, cash in hand. i don't see any of your 'offers' here. it was fun to remind the seller of this fact 
there is a sucker born every minute, you just have to make sure it's not your minute
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Like my father use to tell me, "some days you're the windshield, some days you're the bug". I sold a 93 SVX I had to a co-worker because the trans was on the way out for a grand. 3 days later he sold it to a kid for 3500 bucks. As the kid drove away (picked it up from where I worked at the time) the trans blew a efin block away. My co-worked told him, "as is, out of luck". Was I pisses the guy I sold my car to got a extra 2500? Hell no, I sold it for the price that let me sleep at night. That poor kid put a 3000 trans in it and spent a year trying to get his money back out of it on CL. Just because he was willing to buy it for 3500, that didn't make it worth 3500.
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| It's easy to call someone names and not look at your own behavior. So he haggled? So you never price shop on the items you buy? You never go to wal-mart? When you buy a item from a garage sale you always pay the posted price? How about craigs list? If not you are taking money from the pockets of the people on this board, not just one person on a TV show. It's easy to get caught up in the prices you see for things on TV but it's TV so it's *&%#ing FAKE! Those cars you see sell for big bucks at auction cost the owner 15 to 10% of the selling price to sell. Did Mike demand a buyers fee? No he did what you would do, he got the best price he could. If you want to say he got a deal or the sellers should have held out that's cool. To persinaly attack someone over a TV show lowers who you are. |
Just for the record. I only haggle when someone is trying to gouge me on price, thats it. Otherwise I buy and sell at fair prices as its good karma. Haggling to screw someone at well below market value only makes you look like a cheap ass douchebag.
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seriously? wow. its not screwing someone if they agree to the price. no one is forcing them to sell. if they are happy about the final price then whats the problem? if they don't know anyting about it, and sell it for nothing, then thats no ones fault except for the seller. and i call bullshit on everything you said. if you bought a new car, would you pay sticker price? did you not haggle the price for your house? maybe your a millionaire, or have a great job like a doctor or something, and if you feel like you should pay more for stuff, then thats fine. its your choice if you decide to throw your money away. but to flame someone for trying to get the best deal, is just ignorant. most don't have a lot of money, especially for the luxuries in life (like our dubs). Unless your struggling finacially its easy to say that one shouldn't haggle or shop at wal-mart. but the fact is, the 99% of people who are struggling, don't really have a choice.
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Dunno, they were pretty good sports when they were up this way...
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If thats Mike's bike... those profits on items must be pretty darn good...
Looks a little too shiny for his TV portrayed idenity... 
Looks like a really nice chopper... but Id rather have the XAVW.....
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| VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
If thats Mike's bike... those profits on items must be pretty darn good...
Looks a little too shiny for his TV portrayed idenity...
Looks like a really nice chopper... but Id rather have the XAVW..... |
It's my father-in-laws (same with the retarded bird). The place they went was his neighbor. |
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Got it....that expalins it some...
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| VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
If thats Mike's bike... those profits on items must be pretty darn good...
Looks a little too shiny for his TV portrayed idenity...
Looks like a really nice chopper... but Id rather have the XAVW..... |
Yeah profits are pretty good when you can leverage your TV show and call yourself a so-called picker, as if its some kind of excuse behind low balling less fortunate sellers to worm them out of what they have. Even the Pawn Stars TV guys have far more class than that episode.
The truth is no one would really want one of these clowns or any other real pickers coming in to waste your time and make you bullshit offers on a rare one-of-a-kind collectors piece that just might be a big chunk of your retirement.
Sure, many will support negotiating or even buying anything with this lowball mentality, but don't tell me you don't want to choke the living crap out of someone trying to obviously lowball you like you are a sucker, especially when you know they are a collector, have the money, and desperately want the item you are selling. Just knowing they think of you as a sucker is enough of an insult to punt them off your property.
Mike had the chance to negotiate much more as the collector that he is, going after his "holy grail", but instead he went in just like a lowbrow flipper as if he was negotiating on an oriental rug with the sellers having 50 more out back, which is why he is a douchebag, and why I call this show Douchebag Pickers now, as I see nothing American about going in and taking extra advantage of a everyday people in this country, especially on something like this XAVW.
Unfortunately not everyone is going to get it here, I get that, and in the end its the sellers screwed themselves really out of alot of money, probably got caught up around the TV show thing, like alot of people will do and then let themselves get suckered by feeling like they owe these idiots something for their nice little visit. Likely by now though they are having huge sellers remorse for their ignorance.
My bet though is that no one here would be foolish enough to pull their coachbuilt Rometsch out of the barn and start dialing up these clowns to come for a visit, or if you do I expect a much different outcome.
As for shopping at Walmart, thats anyone's decision to live with, but the consequences of doing so are so so many, as doing so; eliminates many American manufacturing jobs, and it supports Wall St. by only focusing on profits, as it exploits; regulations, human rights, healthcare rights, fair wages, pollution controls, waste managment, and other real people on this planet, and then ultimately you.
When you buy at Walmart or any other major retailer peddling Asian products, most of your money is ultimately going over to China, instead of into your community, and that is hardly American. Every time anyone buys at Walmart you slowly but steadily paint yourself and all of us into a corner, and if you don't think so its time to study up as you are just being shnookered. Yes I get that Walmart is affordable, and if you have to shop there for now because of the economy right now do so. But try to make better local choices and have a plan to improve and build your financial/career out of your situation so you aren't going to be forced to shop there forever, or worse yet be applying someday at Walmart, as 1 in 50 applying for the only job in town available to be the greeter guy at the door, until you drop dead. |
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