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NzFasty Samba Member

Joined: May 09, 2012 Posts: 9 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:03 am Post subject: Installing a stereo...Help! |
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So I'm trying to install a stereo in my 71 Fastback. Stereo working, speakers working - all good. The guy at the shop suggested I just wire the accessory power off the stereo into the battery - same as the constant power. This made sense...but drained the battery quickly, cause there was no real way to fully turn off the stereo.
Question is, does anyone know how I can get around this? Have thought about a kill switch in the acc cable, but would prefer to wire it into the ignition instead. Any suggestions? |
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sharkskinman Lateral Lunatic

Joined: April 26, 2006 Posts: 3848 Location: Deep In My Own Psyche
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: |
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simply put the yellow (lights/clock) to a constant power on your fuse box
and the red one to a switched poser from fuse box (usually the far passenger fuse
OR just turn the stereo OFF when your not using it _________________ 4/71 ~311 "Bettie" (F.I./Auto)
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NzFasty Samba Member

Joined: May 09, 2012 Posts: 9 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks. Will have a look at it when it's light outside again |
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lowdowndub Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Really, you should run the switched/accessory power (red wire) to the fuse panel or to a source that's only powered with the key on.
Mainly because you're bound to forget to turn the stereo off and it will drain the battery... and that's just the right way to do it...
Just find a accessory fuse on your fuse box and wire the red to that. Yellow to constant power as Sharkskin stated. |
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Square One Samba Member

Joined: May 31, 2011 Posts: 179 Location: Anchorage, AK
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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As I understand it, the red wire is for powering on the stereo, whereas the yellow requires constant power availability to keep the radio's memory and internal clock constantly powered. I'm not sure that the yellow alone will allow the stereo to play music or a radio station's broadcast.
-At least that's how it works on my car/stereo system.
I once found a really nifty trick/idea on another one of the Samba's forums. Some fellow had wired his stereo into the door buzzer circuit. That meant that as long as the key was in the ignition, the stereo would play. The ignition, however, did not have to be switched to the "on" position.
-Great for listening to the tunes while waiting on someone in a parking lot without needing the engine running.
Very little chance of leaving the stereo on overnight by mistake, and thereby draining the battery, unless you left your keys in the ignition all night, as well. _________________ It's cool to be square!
'71 Squareback FI "Irving"
'74 Super Beetle A/S "Mr. Buggy" (named by my 16 yr old daughter when it was hers)
'77 SB Convertible (oops . . . sold!) |
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Tram  Samba Socialist

Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 16856 Location: The human race, AKA 'God's Edsel'
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Believe it or not, there's a reason that radios were hooked to battery power- VWs never had an "accessory" position in their ignition switches. If you wire your stereo to come on with the key and you want to listen to it when the car's not running, you'll likely fry your points. _________________ Give A Pal a Hand!
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Brent Samba Member

Joined: April 28, 2010 Posts: 986 Location: Yokosuka, Japan
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Tram wrote: | | Believe it or not, there's a reason that radios were hooked to battery power- VWs never had an "accessory" position in their ignition switches. If you wire your stereo to come on with the key and you want to listen to it when the car's not running, you'll likely fry your points. |
Could you explain this a little more? I'm not following. _________________ 69 Fastback Build (Doris) |
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sharkskinman Lateral Lunatic

Joined: April 26, 2006 Posts: 3848 Location: Deep In My Own Psyche
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I once found a really nifty trick/idea on another one of the Samba's forums. Some fellow had wired his stereo into the door buzzer circuit. That meant that as long as the key was in the ignition, the stereo would play. The ignition, however, did not have to be switched to the "on" position. |
Fantastic Idea!
And my "Dying Cat" works if i plug it back in
But i guess you would Just have to wire it to one side and Not even have the Actual buzzer..
anyone ever use a Newer buzzer or Dinger for there car??
and ...
ok...
VW (among others) didnt put an ACC in there switches
Which meant you Could Not turn the key to a certain position and It would keep the accessories (radio, etc...) on.
You Had to Turn it Off Yourself.
...actually if you think about it Radios themselves Didnt have acc and constant power wires for a Long time.. _________________ 4/71 ~311 "Bettie" (F.I./Auto)
| Supaninja wrote: | | BTW none of us are "buggin" here, we roll something far superior to a bug |
| Ward Cleaver wrote: | | You ever try a pink golf ball, Wally? Why, the wind shear alone on a pink golf ball can take the head off a 90-pound midget at over 300 yards |
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Square One Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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My new radio/stereo/CD player gets truly lousy reception. -Changed antennas, and still terrible reception.
Back in the day (the George M. Cohan days . . .) all radios came with "trimmer" screws on them that allowed you to "tune" the antenna's reception for your area - apparently not so anymore.
I quizzed the pimply faced geek kid at Best Buy about it, and when I mentioned the "trimmer" adjustment, he looked at me like I was from the Mesozoic period.
. . . and by the way, when did the Jack Benny radio show go off the air? _________________ It's cool to be square!
'71 Squareback FI "Irving"
'74 Super Beetle A/S "Mr. Buggy" (named by my 16 yr old daughter when it was hers)
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Tram  Samba Socialist

Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 16856 Location: The human race, AKA 'God's Edsel'
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Brent wrote: | | Tram wrote: | | Believe it or not, there's a reason that radios were hooked to battery power- VWs never had an "accessory" position in their ignition switches. If you wire your stereo to come on with the key and you want to listen to it when the car's not running, you'll likely fry your points. |
Could you explain this a little more? I'm not following. |
Hooked directly to battery power, you could sit in the parked car and listen to the radio without energizing the points. They can arc and burn if they're just barely touching with the condenser energized. The Accessory position on other cars allows you to power up everything but the ignition system. Therefore, on a VW, you don't want the radio hooked to key power.
Make sense? _________________ Give A Pal a Hand!
www.happytrailsfarm.org
May 4, 1970... Never Forget.
RIPRW
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Tram  Samba Socialist

Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 16856 Location: The human race, AKA 'God's Edsel'
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| Square One wrote: | My new radio/stereo/CD player gets truly lousy reception. -Changed antennas, and still terrible reception.
Back in the day (the George M. Cohan days . . .) all radios came with "trimmer" screws on them that allowed you to "tune" the antenna's reception for your area - apparently not so anymore.
I quizzed the pimply faced geek kid at Best Buy about it, and when I mentioned the "trimmer" adjustment, he looked at me like I was from the Mesozoic period.
. . . and by the way, when did the Jack Benny radio show go off the air? |
Why would it go off the air? Did he retire? He's only 39! _________________ Give A Pal a Hand!
www.happytrailsfarm.org
May 4, 1970... Never Forget.
RIPRW
"Hell is- other people."- Jean- Paul Sartre |
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Brent Samba Member

Joined: April 28, 2010 Posts: 986 Location: Yokosuka, Japan
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| Tram wrote: | | Brent wrote: | | Tram wrote: | | Believe it or not, there's a reason that radios were hooked to battery power- VWs never had an "accessory" position in their ignition switches. If you wire your stereo to come on with the key and you want to listen to it when the car's not running, you'll likely fry your points. |
Could you explain this a little more? I'm not following. |
Hooked directly to battery power, you could sit in the parked car and listen to the radio without energizing the points. They can arc and burn if they're just barely touching with the condenser energized. The Accessory position on other cars allows you to power up everything but the ignition system. Therefore, on a VW, you don't want the radio hooked to key power.
Make sense? |
Yes.
So, regardless of how the radio is wired, you never want to have the key in the 'on' position for very long without the car running. Right? _________________ 69 Fastback Build (Doris) |
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Bobnotch Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 10617 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| Brent wrote: | | Tram wrote: | | Brent wrote: | | Tram wrote: | | Believe it or not, there's a reason that radios were hooked to battery power- VWs never had an "accessory" position in their ignition switches. If you wire your stereo to come on with the key and you want to listen to it when the car's not running, you'll likely fry your points. |
Could you explain this a little more? I'm not following. |
Hooked directly to battery power, you could sit in the parked car and listen to the radio without energizing the points. They can arc and burn if they're just barely touching with the condenser energized. The Accessory position on other cars allows you to power up everything but the ignition system. Therefore, on a VW, you don't want the radio hooked to key power.
Make sense? |
Yes.
So, regardless of how the radio is wired, you never want to have the key in the 'on' position for very long without the car running. Right? |
Right. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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NzFasty Samba Member

Joined: May 09, 2012 Posts: 9 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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So I got it all finished today. Found the easiest way was to just wire both acc and constant power to the battery, and install a switch in the acc wire to turn off the head unit easiest. Thanks for all the advice!  _________________ 1971 Fastback
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