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arsanc41 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject: Power Maximization |
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Good evening,
I'm new to VW beetles and got my first one about two months ago. I have a question that I suspect has been asked thousands of times on this forum so I apologize up front.
I have a 63 baja with a 1600 dual port. Most of my riding is in town and highway with the occasional offroading (nothing to extreme). I gotta say I love the car! First bug ever......of course I gotta ask.....How do I get extra HP out of this motor without boring it or purchasing a turnkey motor or larger block. I figure sometime down the road I may explore the previous two options but I'd like to really maximize what I have now. I talked to a few people and answers have been all over the board. Being a Baja it has a 3 inch lift and oversized tires. Other than an Empi 2 5/8 exhaust with a muffler, the engine is stock (had a stinger but couldn't hear my stereo). For the most part it does good on flat highways and roads but reeeeaaaly slows down on highway hills (about 25 mph and lots of dirty looks)
Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated.
Have a great evening! |
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mark tucker Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| turbo/blower, then you can spend the $$$ sooner on a biger better motor. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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and a good tune up. 1.25 or 1.33 rockers will help a little, duel 40hpmx carbs tuned right, dist set up right. find out what gear is in the trans.if it is a 388 go to the 412 or go to a shorter tire till you can afford a big motor that will pull those tires just fine.
you could do some port work&add some slipin biger pistons(87-88mm, ) but that will just gain some cc's somewhere between 1641 and 1679(I think,see the smoke?) but your best bet is to just tune up&save to build a big motor&keep that one for a spair&upgrade it afterwards. |
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arsanc41 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| mark tucker wrote: |
and a good tune up. 1.25 or 1.33 rockers will help a little, duel 40hpmx carbs tuned right, dist set up right. find out what gear is in the trans.if it is a 388 go to the 412 or go to a shorter tire till you can afford a big motor that will pull those tires just fine.
you could do some port work&add some slipin biger pistons(87-88mm, ) but that will just gain some cc's somewhere between 1641 and 1679(I think,see the smoke?) but your best bet is to just tune up&save to build a big motor&keep that one for a spair&upgrade it afterwards. |
I gotta say Mark, I like your first reply better . Only problem is with daughters graduation coming up....my wife would change my gender if she found out I bought a new motor. I was very close to buying a rebuilt 2110 recently from a very decent guy for about $3,000 but had to hold back to really do something nice for my lil girl. Guy has all receipts and the shop (Very Reputable) that rebuilt it, confirmed all was well.
I'll definately take your advice on the second post though! Thanks! |
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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modok Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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25 mph? whoa, what gear are you in going 25mph?
If the trans is stock the gearing may be too high, so you have to use second up some hills, but even in second it should be able to go 40 mph, if not there is some problems with the motor |
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arsanc41 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| modok wrote: |
25 mph? whoa, what gear are you in going 25mph?
If the trans is stock the gearing may be too high, so you have to use second up some hills, but even in second it should be able to go 40 mph, if not there is some problems with the motor |
What could be the issues with the engine? Guy I bought the bug from had receipts from engine rebuild.......not to say that there is always truth to the engine being built correctly. Had it checked out by local, reputable, mech who said compression is fine. I noticed that when I floor the peddle up the hills, the engine seems to bog a lot! Bug was bought from a sea level state to a state thats 5,000 above sea level. Could jetting play a factor? Also....just started today...at times when i stop at a light or sign, sometime the engine will cut out. No problem restarting but it will stop. Any idea what may be causing that to happen? Again first bug so any info is appreciated
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modok Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Lots of things can be wrong or right, but what I asked you was what gear are you going 25 mph? |
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mark tucker Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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yes rejet it. john at ac.net should be able to tell you exzactly what you need. and check the fuel system(hoses,clamps,fuel pump,fuell filter, air filter)
and dont wory about the wife.you were looking for one when you found her!!!just kidden. from a guy with 2 wifes&6 kids. the trick is to buy her somethen then buy her somethen,after a bit buy her somethen, then it's time to buy her somethen.then do somethen for her,now you can start to think what your going to get her next before you even start thinking about crap for your dam old vw klunker in her way.......or do it my way and get what you want when you want it.my only problem isant my wife it's paying these high prices for mostly junk that has to be rebuilt before you can use it (new stuff from the big 4) no Im not cheep, I just have a hard time parting with my $$$ for crap. |
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arsanc41 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| modok wrote: |
| Lots of things can be wrong or right, but what I asked you was what gear are you going 25 mph? |
25 in second. I could easily do 50 to 55 in third and 70 to 75 in 4th. I've never really pushed it to see how fast i could get it going on a flat surface. |
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arsanc41 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| mark tucker wrote: |
yes rejet it. john at ac.net should be able to tell you exzactly what you need. and check the fuel system(hoses,clamps,fuel pump,fuell filter, air filter)
and dont wory about the wife.you were looking for one when you found her!!!just kidden. from a guy with 2 wifes&6 kids. the trick is to buy her somethen then buy her somethen,after a bit buy her somethen, then it's time to buy her somethen.then do somethen for her,now you can start to think what your going to get her next before you even start thinking about crap for your dam old vw klunker in her way.......or do it my way and get what you want when you want it.my only problem isant my wife it's paying these high prices for mostly junk that has to be rebuilt before you can use it (new stuff from the big 4) no Im not cheep, I just have a hard time parting with my $$$ for crap. |
Great advice!
I looked at the fuel filter and it is quite cloudy. I'll start with the fuel filter and jetting to start. Also failed to mention that I suspect the bug sat outside in phoenix for quite some time.....rarely used....what a waste!
Thx! |
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modok Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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oh, ok, well I suppose that kinda makes sense, having to shift down out of third, but even so that's pretty sad
my old bus sometimes was slowed clear down to 45 on a 7% grade (it had a tired 1600), you should be at least faster than a BUS
You may want to investigate the carburetor and distributor, first too find out what kind of each it has and then too see if they are adjusted correctly |
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arsanc41 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| modok wrote: |
oh, ok, well I suppose that kinda makes sense, having to shift down out of third, but even so that's pretty sad
my old bus sometimes was slowed clear down to 45 on a 7% grade (it had a tired 1600), you should be at least faster than a BUS
You may want to investigate the carburetor and distributor, first too find out what kind of each it has and then too see if they are adjusted correctly |
More great areas to look at! I appreciate the feedback. My goal is to become intimately familiar with this vehicle and these are good first steps.
So in your opinion, should the bug be bogging down when I floor the pedal? |
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yellow73kubel Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Exactly how big are these tires? And is that a 1 5/8 inch header you're talking about?
When you say bogging, is the engine going noticeable flat at some point or is it just sluggish all around? A 1600 on stock gears can only handle so much, and it's no screamer to start with.
The cutting out problem is often found on stock carburetors. Too slow of an idle (i.e. stumbling, it should purr smoothly when warm) and/or an improper mixture would be the first things to check. Once you've identified your carb and given it a tune up, this should go away.
Listen to the other guys for tuning advice, just watch out, they love to go big.  |
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arsanc41 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| yellow73kubel wrote: |
Exactly how big are these tires? And is that a 1 5/8 inch header you're talking about?
When you say bogging, is the engine going noticeable flat at some point or is it just sluggish all around? A 1600 on stock gears can only handle so much, and it's no screamer to start with.
The cutting out problem is often found on stock carburetors. Too slow of an idle (i.e. stumbling, it should purr smoothly when warm) and/or an improper mixture would be the first things to check. Once you've identified your carb and given it a tune up, this should go away.
Listen to the other guys for tuning advice, just watch out, they love to go big.  |
The engine does go noticeably flat. When the throttle is about 1/4 of the way depressed down, the engine seems fine. But when I need that extra power for the hills and I floor it, it bogs....as I tend to hit the peak of the hill and lay off to about that 1/4 mark, the engine seems to pick up a little.
With the cutting out, the engine for the most part will idle perfect at some stops and cut out at others....very unpredictable but when it does stop, the engine will fire back up without a problem.
I'll start with some of the advice here and see what the results are.
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arsanc41 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Just wanted to thank everyone for advice. Last night I change the fuel filter and that didn't seem to help. Soooooo I noticed the two adjustment screws and idle screw on the carburator. While the engine was running I would adjust each each screw about 1/4 or less of a turn and listened to what the engine was doing. I've always adjusted my carbs on my harleys so I though the same principle of gas to fuel would make sense. Based on sound, I was able to to tune a lot better. I still want to get OEM specs and recommendations so I could fine tune. The engine shutting off and bogging down was gone as of this morning on the way to work (about 30 miles). Some hills I normally slow down on where no obstacle! When I step on the peddle the carb is not "coughing" at all and no delay when I step on the foot peddle.
Now for the technical piece.... The screws I adjusted, I have no idea what was for air mixture and what was for fuel mixture. I purely did this by sound. There was one screw above another and the top screw was much larger than the bottom screw. Any ideas what might be the air and which one is for fuel? This would be good to know so I have an idea of what I am doing. |
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yellow73kubel Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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The large screw you adjusted is the idle air bypass, and the small one is the fuel volume control.
You're going to want a tachometer and timing light to tune things properly, something like this for the tach: http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16160. Sound gets you in the ballpark, but you can only get so close without the right instrumentation.
This page should help with tuning it the rest of the way: http://www.vw-resource.com/34pict3.html. This is assuming you have a 34 pict 3 (or the rather similar H30/31), though the general idea holds for any Solex. The Bentley manual for your Bug would be a wise purchase, as it gives factory specs and goes into all the detail you'll want.
Good to hear you have things running smoothly! I spent many hours doing the same thing trying to get my engine right (still isn't quite there..), that is the best way to learn your VW. |
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arsanc41 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| yellow73kubel wrote: |
The large screw you adjusted is the idle air bypass, and the small one is the fuel volume control.
You're going to want a tachometer and timing light to tune things properly, something like this for the tach: http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16160. Sound gets you in the ballpark, but you can only get so close without the right instrumentation.
This page should help with tuning it the rest of the way: http://www.vw-resource.com/34pict3.html. This is assuming you have a 34 pict 3 (or the rather similar H30/31), though the general idea holds for any Solex. The Bentley manual for your Bug would be a wise purchase, as it gives factory specs and goes into all the detail you'll want.
Good to hear you have things running smoothly! I spent many hours doing the same thing trying to get my engine right (still isn't quite there..), that is the best way to learn your VW. |
Great advice! I will do the above to fine tune. I can how this will help. Just the small adjustments today felt like I was driving a totally different vehicle. Could get the wheels spinning well in the dirt!  |
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| vwracerdave wrote: |
Before you buy anything this is mandatory reading for you. http://www.aircooled.net/vw-technical-articles/
PS John. You have gotten so many great articles maybe you should number them so we can give a quick reference to a specific article.. Just a thought. |
Did you ever read this article that Dave pointed out? It really is the first thing you should look up and read!!!
Before you do anything else, READ THE ARTICLE!!! |
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arsanc41 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Cohibra45 wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
Before you buy anything this is mandatory reading for you. http://www.aircooled.net/vw-technical-articles/
PS John. You have gotten so many great articles maybe you should number them so we can give a quick reference to a specific article.. Just a thought. |
Did you ever read this article that Dave pointed out? It really is the first thing you should look up and read!!!
Before you do anything else, READ THE ARTICLE!!! |
In the process of reading.....just finished vw carburetors 101 |
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