| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Should there be separate Vanagon and Eurovan Forums? |
| Yes |
|
45% |
[ 19 ] |
| No |
|
54% |
[ 23 ] |
|
| Total Votes : 42 |
|
| Author |
Message |
Glenn 
Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001
Posts: 55637
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
|
 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| berkeleyjack wrote: | | Glenn wrote: | | I'm not a moderator in the Site forum... i'm just like you. Entitled to my opinion DICKWEED. |
It doesn't matter where you're a mod. Your needlessly antagonistic behavior is ridiculous. |
My remarks were in response to this post:
| berkeleyjack wrote: | | No need to be a dickweed. |
Sorry but i can be as childish and the next kid.
_________________
Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
HBB/RW
www.DasVolks.com
Long Island's Aircooled Club |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
berkeleyjack
Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2012
Posts: 186
Location: Northern California
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Glenn wrote: | | Sorry but i can be as childish and the next kid. |
You were being rude before that.
This is off-topic. If you want to discuss it further, PM me. Otherwise let's try to keep the discussion to the stated thread topic.
_________________
All-grain homebrewer with a 1990 Vanagon Carat. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
EverettB
Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000
Posts: 41855
Location: Phoenix, AZ
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Ok, back on topic.
| Quote: | 1. Not enough Eurovan traffic - Well if they had their own forum there would probably be more activity
<chop of other reasons you found> |
This is the only reason I have ever posted (that I recall).
I don't believe anything has changed in that regard but if I am wrong, please let me know.
What you stated is always a possibility.
The real reason you can't find something specifically Eurovan is because more often than not, people don't say they are talking about a Eurovan versus a Vanagon.
This is often true in the Late Beetle Forum too, in regards to Standard Beetle vs. Super Beetle.
_________________
How to: Post Photos | Search
Everett Barnes - [email protected] | My VWs | My wanted ads
"Water is the only drink for a wise man" | "Communication prevents complaints" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tuffshed
Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2011
Posts: 11
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| EverettB wrote: |
The real reason you can't find something specifically Eurovan is because more often than not, people don't say they are talking about a Eurovan versus a Vanagon.
|
Everett, Thanks for the response. I think you are right, you can't tell which posts are for Vanagons and which are for Eurovans. This is another reason for splitting the forum. I just recently searched and then asked on the forum how to remove the power window switch. Even though I stated I was looking for help on a 99 Eurovan it was still impossible to get help or even find a related post. If I had posted in a Eurovan only forum I would have gotten help from only the Eurovan folks. With the combined forum I wasted my time trying to weed out Vanagon info and I wasted the Vanagon peoples time by having to skip past my post.
I originally started monitoring Samba for the adds. I was looking for a Vanagon, but eventually was turned to the dark side (Eurovan, wife has to have airbags don't you know). Even though the site was probably originally for air cooled, you have to admit that most Vanagon owners go to this site first for info. You could have the Eurovan owners flocking here as well. Your classifieds have Eurovans, why not a forum for them? I'm sure that Vanagon owners and Eurovan owners both would appreciate a separate forum, as I've stated they are truly different beasts.
Is it tough to add a new forum? Is it too much work right now for what you have? I appreciate Samba and will be back here if I can't find my answers in Yahoo EVUpdate, but why not help us fellow VW owners out by making Samba a one stop website?
Thanks again for your work.
_________________
Previous VWs
- 1970 Transporter
- 1971 Beetle
- 1974 Super Beetle Convertible
- 1990 Vanagon Camper (bought Aug 9, 1995)
Current VWs
- 1999 Eurovan Camper
- Mike D. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
EverettB
Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000
Posts: 41855
Location: Phoenix, AZ
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
There is a no issue with adding new Forums but it has to make sense.
There will be an issue with moving any existing Eurovan threads to a new Eurovan section. It may be difficult to figure out what to move.
I am doing some searches now to see how many Vanagon vs. Eurovan thread there are in the Vanagon/Eurovan section to see if anything has changed.
Yes, there are Eurovans in the Classifieds... in the combined Vanagon/Eurovan Classifieds section. 
_________________
How to: Post Photos | Search
Everett Barnes - [email protected] | My VWs | My wanted ads
"Water is the only drink for a wise man" | "Communication prevents complaints" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
noganav
Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2006
Posts: 784
Location: San Diego CA
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
They are combined because early aircooled VW guys have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to water cooled VWs. They want to lump them all in the same category despite the fact that Eurovans and Vanagons bear absolutely no resemblance to each other.
Aircooled or Watercooled, a Vanagon is a Vanagon. A Vanagon is not a Eurovan. It's simple, maybe just a little too simple. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
EverettB
Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000
Posts: 41855
Location: Phoenix, AZ
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
They are combined because there was almost no traffic in those areas for a very long time and no Vanagon/Eurovan stuff AT ALL on the site.
At one point a few people requested sections be added for Vanagons/Eurovans, so it was added as a single category as content was minimal.
Let's go back in time shall we... <opens Samba diary with My Little Pony on front>
From the Site History at:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/updates/history.php
February 8, 2006
o Gallery - Added new Vanagon/Eurovan category, thanks to Robert
June 7, 2004
o Classifieds - Split Bay Window Parts section into Bay Window and Vanagon sections. Thanks to Peter.
April 28, 2004
o Classifieds - Separated VW Bus 1968-up Vehicles For Sale/Wanted sections into Bay Window and Vanagon/Eurovan sections
I see the Forum split was not noted but I can see it was done October 14, 2003 from this thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54008
You can see it all used to be "Bay Window on up" back in 2003/2004.
Wow, I didn't realize it had been that long.
Assigning any underlying motive to anything on the site should automatically be assumed to either a mistake in your perception or an oversight on my part that should be brought to my attention.
_________________
How to: Post Photos | Search
Everett Barnes - [email protected] | My VWs | My wanted ads
"Water is the only drink for a wise man" | "Communication prevents complaints" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
noganav
Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2006
Posts: 784
Location: San Diego CA
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Glenn wrote: | You're entitled to your opinion and i'm entitled to mine.
Personally I think Eurovans belong in the Watercooled forum with the rest of the watercooled cars. At least early Vanagons are aircooled. |
I think this is evidence enough for my statement, from right here in this thread... 
Combining two vehicles that share next to nothing in common is an oversight. You will eventually get more traffic on Eurovans if you separate them. As is, folks with a Eurovan are wading through a massive amount of irrelevant information to try and get help, and most of their posts fall on deaf ears, lost in all the Vanagon chatter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Glenn
Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001
Posts: 55637
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| noganav wrote: | | Glenn wrote: | You're entitled to your opinion and i'm entitled to mine.
Personally I think Eurovans belong in the Watercooled forum with the rest of the watercooled cars. At least early Vanagons are aircooled. |
I think this is evidence enough for my statement, from right here in this thread... |
Here's a softball.
I don't know why Eurovans even share a forum. At least the Vanagons are rear engine and based on a Type 1 engine. Put Eurovans in the watercooled forum along with the New Beetles and all the other front engine watercooled cars.
_________________
Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
HBB/RW
www.DasVolks.com
Long Island's Aircooled Club |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
noganav
Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2006
Posts: 784
Location: San Diego CA
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Couldn't agree more. That or give them their own forum.
*Whack* Right out of the park! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
r39o
Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005
Posts: 9017
Location: San Diego
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
In some ways the Eurovan should have their own forum.
Since they share almost nothing with the Vanagon, except some parts that can be adapted for use in the Vanagon, one could put them in their own forum.
They are lumped in with Vanagons because that is what was done.
It was done because there was so little traffic.
There still is very little traffic.
There is more traffic on other sites such as the VW Vortex, for example.
I do not know how those vans fit in TheSamba world, actually.
Vanagons were air cooled and evolved into water cooled.
The Euro never was air cooled.
I just do not see how the Euro fits.
Most Vanagon pilots hardly know what a Euro is.
Hence they sort of get glossed over, it seems.
My point is, it seems, the Euro is a poor fit, it seems, to me.
Maybe they should not be here at all?
Flame suit on......
_________________
"Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22 running well...
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
EverettB
Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000
Posts: 41855
Location: Phoenix, AZ
|
| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
This is a little off the topic but almost every day someone posts a Eurovan in the Water-Cooled vehicles section.
I move it to Vanagon/Eurovan.
The same happens with Rabbits/Jettas/GTIs put in "Other VW".
The Eurovan thing sort of makes sense.
The other types of Water-cooleds in Other... that makes less sense to me.
_________________
How to: Post Photos | Search
Everett Barnes - [email protected] | My VWs | My wanted ads
"Water is the only drink for a wise man" | "Communication prevents complaints" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Glenn
Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001
Posts: 55637
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
blankmange
Type 3 Darksider
Joined: July 17, 2004
Posts: 11628
Location: Bloßer Stahl-preapocalyptic MidCoast
|
| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 5:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Glenn wrote: | | r39o wrote: | | Maybe they should not be here at all? |
Agreed... |
remove the water-pumpers!
_________________
| 19super73 wrote: | | You wouldn't understand intelligent humour even if it slapped you upside your SOS pad head. |
póg mo thóin
Certified DHS Technician
Samba Member # 24517 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tuffshed
Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2011
Posts: 11
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
|
| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| blankmange wrote: |
remove the water-pumpers! |
I remember back when I bought my water cooled Vanagon Westy. It was looked upon like some kind of traitor to the VW experience...Water Cooled... How dare you. We were looked down upon by air cooled owners. Now (IMHO) the Vanagon is regarded as the pinnacle of the VW evolution. Who wouldn't want to own the ultimate vehicle of all time, a Synchro Westy Vanagon?
Now I've got a Eurovan Camper. The Vanagon guys look down on us, the air cooled guys look down on us... We can't get no respect (thanks Rodney).
Samba should be for all those with VW in their blood. I still flash the peace sign every time I pass a fellow VW van on the highway, be it Transporter, Vanagon or even the lowly Eurovan.
Give us our dignity. Give us our own forum, because after all our vehicles break occasionally too, or didn't you know that?
_________________
Previous VWs
- 1970 Transporter
- 1971 Beetle
- 1974 Super Beetle Convertible
- 1990 Vanagon Camper (bought Aug 9, 1995)
Current VWs
- 1999 Eurovan Camper
- Mike D. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Gary
Person of Interest
Joined: November 01, 2002
Posts: 16962
Location: 'Murrica
|
| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
| tuffshed wrote: | | blankmange wrote: |
remove the water-pumpers! |
I remember back when I bought my water cooled Vanagon Westy. It was looked upon like some kind of traitor to the VW experience...Water Cooled... How dare you. We were looked down upon by air cooled owners. Now (IMHO) the Vanagon is regarded as the pinnacle of the VW evolution. Who wouldn't want to own the ultimate vehicle of all time, a Synchro Westy Vanagon?
Now I've got a Eurovan Camper. The Vanagon guys look down on us, the air cooled guys look down on us... We can't get no respect (thanks Rodney).
Samba should be for all those with VW in their blood. I still flash the peace sign every time I pass a fellow VW van on the highway, be it Transporter, Vanagon or even the lowly Eurovan.
Give us our dignity. Give us our own forum, because after all our vehicles break occasionally too, or didn't you know that? |
http://www.vwvortex.com
Have fun.
_________________
-
Download this spreadsheet for NOS/OE parts inquiries--> http://vwjudsonregister.tripod.com/IMAGES/2013-parts-spreadshhet.xls |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Glenn
Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001
Posts: 55637
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
|
| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
| tuffshed wrote: | | Samba should be for all those with VW in their blood. |
Let's face it, if VW didn't make watercooled cars they'd all be driving Hondas and you'd be driving this:
_________________
Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
HBB/RW
www.DasVolks.com
Long Island's Aircooled Club |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
berkeleyjack
Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2012
Posts: 186
Location: Northern California
|
| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| noganav wrote: | | Combining two vehicles that share next to nothing in common is an oversight. You will eventually get more traffic on Eurovans if you separate them. As is, folks with a Eurovan are wading through a massive amount of irrelevant information to try and get help, and most of their posts fall on deaf ears, lost in all the Vanagon chatter. |
I agree. All it does is drive away EuroVan drivers.
While I understand that some folks here have so little going on in their lives that they feel the need to engage in internet pissing contests about air-cooled vs. water-cooled, it just seems dumb to lump two totally different cars into the same forum. I understand why it was done originally, but with as much Vanagon-specific traffic as we get now it doesn't make sense any more. Even putting the EuroVan in the "Water-Cooled VW" section would make more sense and make it easier to search for model-specific information.
And jeeze, people need to stop posting links to VWvortex.
That site is a navigational mess, has almost zero traffic, and doesn't even have a EuroVan-specific forum.
_________________
All-grain homebrewer with a 1990 Vanagon Carat. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
EverettB
Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000
Posts: 41855
Location: Phoenix, AZ
|
| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| berkeleyjack wrote: | | I understand why it was done originally, but with as much Vanagon-specific traffic as we get now it doesn't make sense any more. Even putting the EuroVan in the "Water-Cooled VW" section would make more sense and make it easier to search for model-specific information. |
Thank you for this feedback - this is what I was asking above, although I would like some confirmation of that from multiple parties.
| berkeleyjack wrote: | ... people need to stop posting links to VWvortex.
That site is a navigational mess, has almost zero traffic, and doesn't even have a EuroVan-specific forum. |
Regarding VWVortex or other sources:
Yes, the solution is not to go somewhere else if I can provide what is needed here and it fits in with my site content.
_________________
How to: Post Photos | Search
Everett Barnes - [email protected] | My VWs | My wanted ads
"Water is the only drink for a wise man" | "Communication prevents complaints" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
DAIZEE
Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010
Posts: 7446
Location: Greater Toronto Area
|
| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
I'm all for giving Eurovans their own forum IF there is enough demand. Of course Putting Eurovan first in your "Post New Topic" would help dramatically but I fear it won't happen. A gentle reminder that in the past 2.5 years that I have been here, there have been frequent complaints from EV's that the Vanagons snub them in here and in the real world. I find neither to be factual. In real life gatherings, they are treated the same as all participants, nobody judges them.
In real life I honk and wave to EV's and in most cases I get ignored. I don't know what the answer is. Giving them their own forum could be a solution or it could just be a flop and participation in Samba would disappear. I'd hate to see that happen. Right now I enjoy hearing from EV's in our combined forum. Thank goodness not my decision to make  
_________________
83.5 Vanagon L Riviera Model with 97 1.9L TD AAZ 4 speed Daily Driver 3 out of 4 seasons (for sale)
84 Vanagon GL Wolfsburg Westy WBX 4 speed (sold)
Mental Health issues affect us all. Ignorance is not bliss. It's up to each of us to educate ourselves. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
