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bigbore Samba Member

Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 2712 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: sapphire stereo |
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I have a sapphire XVI am/fm town and country stereo does anybody know where they put the speakers? I looked in the technical stuff on the site but no manual on the XVI or any stereo speaker placement. Iam not looking for just anywhere but where vw placed them. not a bad find it was in a 72 bus I got for free and the radio works and its right for my 71 westy so far the rare goodies I have gotten from these free bus has been a working clock and this hard to come by radio not bad.
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barefootwestie Samba Member

Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1320 Location: Charleston, SC
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: |
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I believe the only place that VW installed the speakers were in the dash right above the radio. _________________ tangerinemoons.com
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jettalu Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2011 Posts: 9 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you're right. I was looking under the dash the other day and found the single speaker I never knew was there. Let me know if you're interested in it. |
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bigbore Samba Member

Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 2712 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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You are missing the point this is a stereo you know 2 speakers the factory did not install sapphire radios the dealers did there were install manuals but there is not one in the list of manuals on the samba. most likely they put one in the factory spot then a remote surface mount speaker or maybe in the kick panel I guess its possible they put them in the doors but I really didn't want to cut my door panels. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 23889 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, Land of the giant flying moose!
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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I grabbed a sapphire stereo 8 track out of a 72 at a wrecking yard years ago and it had speakers in the front doors and rear side panels beside the rear seat (above the armrest I think), quadraphonic!  _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
Wanted, 68-73 westy OG plaid curtains, singles OK. |
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Malokin Martin Samba Member

Joined: August 19, 2007 Posts: 1106 Location: E-burg
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| bigbore wrote: | | You are missing the point this is a stereo you know 2 speakers |
It's not a Stereo at all... it's actually a Mono.
One speaker. One mount. Under the dash.
Stereo would have a knob for right and left (and thus multiple speakers).
Very cool "Town and Country" switch on the right there.
BTW If you're looking to restore your ride, I would take that guy up on his offer for the speaker/mount. They're crazy hard to find (at least in my searches).
http://web.me.com/stokester/Dub~Tunes/Sapphire_Radios_1968_to_1979.html
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notchboy Samba Member

Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 11321 Location: Seattle WA
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Malokin Martin wrote: | | bigbore wrote: | | You are missing the point this is a stereo you know 2 speakers |
It's not a Stereo at all... it's actually a Mono.
One speaker. One mount. Under the dash.
Stereo would have a knob for right and left (and thus multiple speakers).
Very cool "Town and Country" switch on the right there.
BTW If you're looking to restore your ride, I would take that guy up on his offer for the speaker/mount. They're crazy hard to find (at least in my searches). |
Unless you got the expansion pack
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1963 Pearl White Sunroof Notch
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Malokin Martin Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| holy crap that is awesome! Lore of old says the silver ring button is for the rare flux capacitor. |
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bigbore Samba Member

Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 2712 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Ah well it does have a knob for left and right you know STEREO how many times do I have to say it! just look it up the XVI is a stereo and from what I understand hard to find. would you like to see the left and right speaker wiring it has? and I have a few of those speaker mounts that jettalu was talking about. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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ccpalmer  Samba Member

Joined: September 17, 2006 Posts: 3518 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| bigbore wrote: |
Ah well it does have a knob for left and right you know STEREO how many times do I have to say it! just look it up the XVI is a stereo and from what I understand hard to find. would you like to see the left and right speaker wiring it has? and I have a few of those speaker mounts that jettalu was talking about. |
Apparently more than once!  _________________ '71 Westy
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babysnakes Samba Member

Joined: August 19, 2008 Posts: 3786 Location: West Boca Raton, Fla.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:40 am Post subject: |
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dstefun wrote:
| Quote: | | but they do include a fader control for a rear speaker. AM-FM-MPX (stereo) wasn't available until the Sapphire XVI from Motorola in 1971. 8 track units in 1967 and later were true stereo, but were never AM-FM, just AM and 8 track. |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1...highlight=
As for the speaker mounts. My old '79 had speakers in the doors and in the panel below the rear seat. I considered them original as I was not familiar with the logo ( I had spent a few years in the aftermarket car audio biz. in the early 80s) and poor quality of them. _________________ '69 SC under resto
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'78 Westy motor transplant in progress
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1st bus, '67 Westy in '83. Thank you '74 Pontiac Ventura.
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notchboy Samba Member

Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 11321 Location: Seattle WA
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I can totaly see the mechanic deciding where amd or asking the customer. Doors is the #1 guess. _________________ Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1963 Pearl White Sunroof Notch
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1974 Westfalia Hardtop Campmobile
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top
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bigbore Samba Member

Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 2712 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| notchboy wrote: | | I can totaly see the mechanic deciding where amd or asking the customer. Doors is the #1 guess. |
Ya that this what Iam thinking the wiring coming from the radio is plenty long enough to go out to the doors the wires are one piece they don't plug in to the back of the radio and still have the original plugs at the speaker end. I have been keeping one of the speakers in the glove box waiting for a manual or photo of a original install but knowing the dealers hack work alot of the time just where ever will do. It is a cool thing to have and it works good and right for a 71 theres the purist in me coming out it happens once in a while. boy is he bothersome from time to time. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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bigbore Samba Member

Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 2712 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: |
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I have been looking through the gallery and found a couple of guys putting them here this looks nice I think I will punch a pattern of holes in the kick panel sense I have no grill covers for these speakers and it will look cleaner and no grill covers to kick off. Now to find the time to punch all those holes.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=223256 _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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redbus Steve Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2004 Posts: 125 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Another option (if you don't want to cut anything) would be to add a dual voice coil speaker in the stock dash location. A dual voice coil allows two speaker connections in one "space".
http://www.retrosoundusa.com/products/category/id/8
http://www.colomar.com/Shavano/dvc_spkr_wiring.html _________________ Steve
1970 Westy with a Riviera Top
1969 Beetle
"Her shaft is bent and the rear end leaks, you can fix her quick with an oily rag, use a nail to start her I lost the key. Don't pay any mind to that whirring sound. She uses a little oil but outside of that she's cherry." -- C.W. McCall |
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bigbore Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:54 am Post subject: |
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yes I have seen those from retro sound and I like the idea but these old radios need 8 to 10 ohm speakers and the ones they sell are mostly (if not all) are 4 ohm. new radios these days are driving 4 ohm speakers un like the old ones. I did find a good web site for replacement stock speakers.
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hazetguy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| notchboy wrote: | Unless you got the expansion pack
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that's a fader. it does not magically make a mono radio a stereo unit. |
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 23889 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, Land of the giant flying moose!
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| hazetguy wrote: | | notchboy wrote: | Unless you got the expansion pack
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that's a fader. it does not magically make a mono radio a stereo unit. |
Yeah right, I suppose this is a hoax as well?
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Wanted, 68-73 westy OG plaid curtains, singles OK. |
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notchboy Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| busdaddy wrote: | | hazetguy wrote: | | notchboy wrote: | Unless you got the expansion pack
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that's a fader. it does not magically make a mono radio a stereo unit. |
Yeah right, I suppose this is a hoax as well?
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Yes I knew-know that. It was meant to pick on Malokin Martin since he said mono is for "one" speaker. Come on Hazet - keep up big boy
So what did you show busdaddy? Your link dont work? _________________ Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1963 Pearl White Sunroof Notch
1964 T34 S Convertible
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1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 23889 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, Land of the giant flying moose!
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| notchboy wrote: | | busdaddy wrote: | | hazetguy wrote: | | notchboy wrote: | Unless you got the expansion pack
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that's a fader. it does not magically make a mono radio a stereo unit. |
Yeah right, I suppose this is a hoax as well?
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Yes I knew-know that. It was meant to pick on Malokin Martin since he said mono is for "one" speaker. Come on Hazet - keep up big boy
So what did you show busdaddy? Your link dont work? |
It was one of those colored plastic screens they sold in the 50's to make your black and white TV appear to be color, you know...green along the bottom, clear in the middle and blue along the top. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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