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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a '57 expert but nothing I see looks wrong to me.

What number is on the coil?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:41 am    Post subject: flyertim's engine serial number Reply with quote

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My motor's serial number is #1914975 That's May 1957 correct?


i don't believe it's may of '57. according to the "beetle VIN numbers" in the technical section:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bugchassisdating.php

it's a late june 1957.

my oval was born on june 24th, 1957 (verified by the birth certificate...see page 4 of the build thread in my signature).

for reference, the serial number on my original engine (once again, verified by the birth certificate), is #1901555...which is 13,420 ahead of yours!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Himmelservice got the blue fabric (pünktchen blue) for your car.
Think Lenny Coop buy fabrics from them.

http://www.himmelservice.de/english/home.html

They also make interiors.

I bought some fabric from there, in beige Pünktchen for the B-pillars (at Hessisch Oldendorf 09) and for a hole Confused in the back seat. And the inner liner. Very nice people, Marc is a pleasure to deal with, even for only small orders!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that VW records are just like Leica camera records, the cars didn't run or were sold in a total sequence like the numbers listed in the archive......

My car's body number #566889 which according to the archives is May 1957?

And the motors number #1914975 which is possibly June 1957?

VIN #15822xx is May 1957?

So I think things are a bit mixed up and numbers don't always run in sync, I'm 100% sure my car is all matching numbers.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your cars assembly looks to have been late May with an Early June delivery

If you request a Birth Certificate you'll know for sure on the engine...

Check the stamp on the rear of your speedometer...should say 05.57 or 06.57
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your cars assembly looks to have been late May with an Early June delivery

If you request a Birth Certificate you'll know for sure on the engine...

Check the stamp on the rear of your speedometer...should say 05.57 or 06.57


Ahh yeah speedo, that's a good idea too Smile

Thanks everyone for chiming in on these questions Very Happy

Ohh can anyone tell me what do the 5 and the E mean as body stamps?

Does that mean 5 month = May and E = Friday?

Which would have been May 24th or May 31st 1957? *Build Date*

And the car delivered sometime in the first week of June 1957? (I'm guessing)

The Birth Certificate will verify the motor for sure, but I think that it will end up just saying "Germany" as it's first delivery, the people at WB are too lazy to look up the original German dealers most of the time and I already know my car came from MAHAG in Munich.

Getting it will just mainly be a verification of a motor number, that's why a Birth Certificate isn't something I'm rushing to get, I need to spend those extra €€ € € Euros € € € € I can put together for some rebuilt Semaphores!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes cars didnt pass a quality check and had to get new parts.
For instance the engine was bad, and it got a new one before delivery.
That could take some days extra.

All cars went on the assembly line numbered after the VIN (or they got the VIN then). But the body was not, they took the nearest, I believe. Same with other parts. My car has a VIN that tells me its made 4. of august 1955, as the 30. 1956 model year beetle. The body is made in july, and the original engine probably around 2. of august. But the BC tells me 31. of august (its the date it passes the last quality check before shipment, not the day it went off the assembly line, that is the production date in BC), and delivered to Raffay in Hamburg the 1. of september. I'll never know why, maybe its been used by Volkswagen, because VW # 1 million was made 5. of august, and had 140.000 guests in Wolfsburg.

If you want a confirmation of the engine #, enclose your engine# when asking for the BC. They will then confirm the # (or not).
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blauchen L331 wrote:
My car's body number #566889 which according to the archives is May 1957?

And the motors number #1914975 which is possibly June 1957?

VIN #15822xx is May 1957?

So I think things are a bit mixed up and numbers don't always run in sync, I'm 100% sure my car is all matching numbers.



When I check the charts, I see:
Body - May 1957
Engine # - June 1957
VIN # - June 1957

VIN and Engine match up with the charts really well.
Body... is off a bit, I would suspect the charts are a little off.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Blauchen L331 wrote:
My car's body number #566889 which according to the archives is May 1957?

And the motors number #1914975 which is possibly June 1957?

VIN #15822xx is May 1957?

So I think things are a bit mixed up and numbers don't always run in sync, I'm 100% sure my car is all matching numbers.



When I check the charts, I see:
Body - May 1957
Engine # - June 1957
VIN # - June 1957

VIN and Engine match up with the charts really well.
Body... is off a bit, I would suspect the charts are a little off.


Yeh, just like Leica, their records aren't all perfect either, but what I guessed I figure is nearly right , late May production, early June delivery. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats your speedo say!?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blauchen L331 wrote:

I'm in no hurry to get the car on the road, I still don't have new tires or the brakes gone over, too many personal family issues with my Father's health and my own, I'm taking it nice and slow, this car needs alot of TLC and patience. Very Happy

Plus there's just two seasons in Florida, summer and HOT. Summer is when you work, and HOT is just HOT! Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blauchen L331 wrote:
I was poking around underneath the hood this morning looking for the body stamps here they are.........

Left Side:

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Is an upside down E

Right Side:

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Is a single number 5

Anyone know what day/dates that letter and number mean????

And the Body Serial 566889 and "European Only" Baujahr Stamp 1957

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I haven't ordered a Birth Certificate yet on the car, I have more important things to buy first before I indulge on that expensive piece of paper, my guess is that the car is from May/June 1957.

Sorry for all the dirt, I still haven't cleaned and polished under the hood yet, I suppose I'll try to get that done tomorrow (Sunday) Very Happy

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I don't think those body panel numbers signify anything of significance. Maybe batch number, the press they came off of or the line they were built on -- who knows.

The body number on my July 4, 1956 Horizon Blue car is 267476.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Baron wrote:
Blauchen L331 wrote:
I was poking around underneath the hood this morning looking for the body stamps here they are.........

Left Side:

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Is an upside down E

Right Side:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Is a single number 5

Anyone know what day/dates that letter and number mean????

And the Body Serial 566889 and "European Only" Baujahr Stamp 1957

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

I haven't ordered a Birth Certificate yet on the car, I have more important things to buy first before I indulge on that expensive piece of paper, my guess is that the car is from May/June 1957.

Sorry for all the dirt, I still haven't cleaned and polished under the hood yet, I suppose I'll try to get that done tomorrow (Sunday) Very Happy

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I don't think those body panel numbers signify anything of significance. Maybe batch number, the press they came off of or the line they were built on -- who knows.

The body number on my July 4, 1956 Horizon Blue car is 267476.


They inspect the strange body number/letter stamps over here in the Split Window thread:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=234251&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Yeah! Florida is "HOT" right now, this is NOT Volkswagen driving weather here, YUCK! ~ and as I've projected, I figure the car will be back on the road later this year, by August or September and just in time for it's FIRST Lake Mirror Classic showing, I'll be active in November and December and if we don't have any shows scheduled at that time, I'll try to put together one.....another "Oval's Only" show before Christmas. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

txoval wrote:
Whats your speedo say!?


I'll look at it tomorrow and post what it is......... Smile

EverettB wrote:
I'm not a '57 expert but nothing I see looks wrong to me.

What number is on the coil?


And I'll check the coil tomorrow too....... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not a '57 expert but nothing I see looks wrong to me.

What number is on the coil?


On top in very small letters 5N

And then the main letters/numbers TE6B1 Bosch Coil had yellow label, most of it has worn away......

Is that the original one still?

I couldn't check the speedo date, I'll get that when I start rewiring for the third brake light etc.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blauchen L331 wrote:
EverettB wrote:
I'm not a '57 expert but nothing I see looks wrong to me.

What number is on the coil?


On top in very small letters 5N

And then the main letters/numbers TE6B1 Bosch Coil had yellow label, most of it has worn away......

Is that the original one still?


Date code thread:
Bosch Hella SWF SHO Blaupunkt date codes

From that 5N = May, 1957

Sounds original to me!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Blauchen L331 wrote:
EverettB wrote:
I'm not a '57 expert but nothing I see looks wrong to me.

What number is on the coil?


On top in very small letters 5N

And then the main letters/numbers TE6B1 Bosch Coil had yellow label, most of it has worn away......

Is that the original one still?


Date code thread:
Bosch Hella SWF SHO Blaupunkt date codes

From that 5N = May, 1957

Sounds original to me!


Yay! That's great news.... Thanks Everett Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm sure that everyone here so far has seen the shape my drivers seat is in, near perfect base (bottom, just covered by an ugly blue cloth seat cover) but the top right corner is a mess...... Razz

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I'm going to do the vintage blanket thing for now and then maybe Clear Plastic Seat Covers, but I have considered buying some remnants from Ingrid Oppermann's "Punktchen" material and *sun bleaching* the material for a year or so and then patching up the seat corner. Smile

I've never see the Oppermann material up close, I had an answer to my ad here requesting some remnants/scraps and it seems I may have found enough to eventually mend up this corner and also make an accessory tool roll or another (surprise) that will work out nicely.

So here's some quick snaps I took in my garage showing off the texture of the material etc. etc.

I'm sure everyone can see the difference between the two, but, the Oppermann material is on the LEFT side, my original "sun faded/dusty/dirty" fabric on the RIGHT, OK?

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The material is pretty much "dead on" with the Polka Dot pattern in size and distance between each other and also the fabric texture and feeling is very close to the original as well............

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And here's some shots of some fabric that has maintained most of it's original color (inside the drivers side "map pocket") it is Dark Blue but not as intense as the new material, I think the original material was more Blue Grey in color as the newly made material is more Bluish Blue. (does that make sense?)

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Overall my opinion is that this is *REALLY GOOD STUFF* Very Happy

Since 1985 Ingrid has made a great reputation in Europe of "getting it dead right" with the hard to find pre 1960 VW factory production style fabric Beetle seat and headliner material and this sample is really fine and I'm very satisfied with her quality of seat fabric. Smile

Personally I would suggest to anyone who's correctly restoring a "Euro" Oval Window (A German Or Austrian) car, that her interiors are the best and most correct Original style available. Smile

http://www.himmelservice.de/english/home.html

That's her English Language Internet Link Wink

I'm going ahead and buying these remnants and going to try that "sun bleaching" and with some patience and Mother Nature's help in a year or two I'll have a PATCH to put on the drivers seat that looks like its Old School done. LOL!!!!!!! Razz

Enjoy!

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Thankfully the Family and the Old Woman who drove my car had it serviced quite often, you can tell by all these Kool Vintage Service Station Doorjam Stickers............

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The Earliest Remaining Service Sticker is from 10 - 6 - 1964 the mileage was 17,352

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1972

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1974 - which has (2 Two) Stickers, the first one is a Spark Plug Sticker under the Decklid here:

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and a Doorjam one here:

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1975 - also has (2 Two) Stickers, the first one is on the Rear Apron here:

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and in the Doorjam:

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And then the next one isn't till 1999

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And after cleaning out the Glovebox the other day, I found this bill of repairs from June 23rd 1999 (same date as the Service Station Sticker above)..........

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The Brakes got a real going over and the Muffler and Tailpipes were Replaced for the SECOND time.
(The Muffler once in 1974 and then again in 1999 ~ come to think of it, it needs to be Replaced now). Wink Razz
.........the Intake Manifold and some sort of Release (?) is noted REPLACED along with a Oil Change etc. it was over $1,200 work.

Then from 1999 till when I bought the car in October last year, (2011) the car drove less than 450 miles!

And from 1964 till this afternoon the car has driven less than 10,000 miles! ~ Current reading standing is 27,446!

Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of those parts seem really expensive to me.

$135 for an intake?
Was it NOS from the dealer?
(Assuming that was possible in 1999)
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