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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 8655 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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with what I have read, the pistons I ran for oh somany years at 13.8cr in my daily driven street car running 93 oct fuel(pump gas) must of been squisheys. about 14 years of hard abuse, they have now been ceramic & dfl coated and ready for usage again( @ over 14.5 cr).I hope I get to use them again,618 hp (dyno&track calc .within about 10 hp)from a streetable small block is a lot fun. I wish I could get a set of pistons for these vw's for what I paid for them ohsomany years ago.(around 1982)I dont know if I will ever get to use any of the vw squisheys,Im tryen to wind down on this stuff(like thats going to happen)but you never know I still have atleast 3 of my own motors in the works.and realy dont want to do any body elses any more, just too much time away from my shit.
the mazda system looks good & with the right forging could be transfered to our vw stuff. and thier low cr diesel is neet too and with the right management could also be transfered over.possiably on the same motor!!now thats flex fuel |
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bugnut68 Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2003 Posts: 3968 Location: Lakeview, OR
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Eaallred wrote: |
I once heard it:
"The Semi-Hemi bucket shaped design is great for holding lots of carbon buildup..."
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I've seen this reference made a lot, but I guess I got lucky with my combo as I never had this issue with my semi hemi 1776. That's the only semi hemi head engine I've had so far, but just my experience; of course, I didn't run 6.6:1 compression, either... perhaps that had something to do with it. lol.  |
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67Beetle2017 Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2006 Posts: 396
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| mark tucker wrote: |
| with what I have read, the pistons I ran for oh somany years at 13.8cr in my daily driven street car running 93 oct fuel(pump gas) must of been squisheys. about 14 years of hard abuse, they have now been ceramic & dfl coated and ready for usage again( @ over 14.5 cr).I hope I get to use them again,618 hp (dyno&track calc .within about 10 hp)from a streetable small block is a lot fun. I wish I could get a set of pistons for these vw's for what I paid for them ohsomany years ago.(around 1982)I dont know if I will ever get to use any of the vw squisheys,Im tryen to wind down on this stuff(like thats going to happen)but you never know I still have atleast 3 of my own motors in the works.and realy dont want to do any body elses any more, just too much time away from my shit.the mazda system looks good & with the right forging could be transfered to our vw stuff. and thier low cr diesel is neet too and with the right management could also be transfered over.possiably on the same motor!!now thats flex fuel |
Not to hijack but, Mark I hear you buddy. Over 28 years of building everyone elses stuff. Now it's my turn. But when I get out, I seem to get pulled right back in... |
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VIN Samba Member

Joined: June 01, 2006 Posts: 916 Location: phoenix
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| R-Baja wrote: |
First off, the semi-hemi combustion chamber is stupid, you need at least 36 degrees of ignition advance to make them work. As for the theory behind the super squishy pistons, here are some great links. You can design the "squish" properties into the piston crown or the combustion chambers.
http://www.theoldone.com/articles/The_Soft_Head_1999/
Read the last two sentences here regarding exhaust temps:
http://www.jagweb.com/jagworld/v12-engine/page4.html
And do a Google search in images for michael may fireball combustion chamber. You will see the intake valve is flat and at near the piston crown which also is flat. The exhaust valve is also flat but considerably recessed in the head creating the actual combustion chamber and has the spark plug in that location. 1981 design!
And for the 21st century, check out Mazda's upcoming "squishy" combustion chamber:
http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/skyactiv/engine/skyactiv-g.html
14:1 compression ratio!  |
yeah, but that skyactiv also has direct injection. cant have pre detonation without fuel. _________________ Co-owner, 2 Brothers Guns
[email protected]
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 8655 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| VIN wrote: |
| yeah, but that skyactiv also has direct injection. cant have pre detonation without fuel. |
management!! |
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fuguboy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Is a custom camshaft best to get the most from these pistons with stock gears ? I am building a 2334 with K-10 cam and like the SS theory . |
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DarthWeber Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2007 Posts: 7557 Location: Whittier,CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I believe John (AC.Net) recommends the Web 86B with the SS pistons although he has run the 86C too. There is a ton of info on SS pistons on CalLook.com, just wade thru the SS haters comments and you can learn a lot about the combos that work from the guys actually running them.
Most run the cam about 4 degrees retarded (to prevent valve/piston clash) and the engines need very little timing, often less than 28 degrees of advance.
SS technology is quite interesting. Running 13:1, running very cool with tons of torque and having the ability to literally drive your VW across the USA is very neat indeed. I only wish SS pistons came in sizes other than 94mm. _________________
| Mitey62 wrote: |
| Swapped the Compufire for a Bosch blue and some points I had sitting around, started 1st crank. Took her out for a drive, pulls harder, more RPM, and runs smoother. I think I'll be sticking with points from now on. |
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JB weld the case halves....that'll keep the fretting to a minimum.  |
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Eaallred Samba Member

Joined: May 18, 2003 Posts: 5241 Location: West Valley City, Utah
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| DarthWeber wrote: |
| I only wish SS pistons came in sizes other than 94mm. |
I think 85.5 SS pistons would be a key ingredient for a mileage master motor build. A home run IMHO. _________________ Eric Allred
10.29 @ 131mph
Utah's fastest and quickest VW.
Aircooled.Net
Blackline Racing (Formerly ACE) |
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DarthWeber Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2007 Posts: 7557 Location: Whittier,CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Eaallred wrote: |
| I think 85.5 SS pistons would be a key ingredient for a mileage master motor build. A home run IMHO. |
I absolutely agree, 100%!  _________________
| Mitey62 wrote: |
| Swapped the Compufire for a Bosch blue and some points I had sitting around, started 1st crank. Took her out for a drive, pulls harder, more RPM, and runs smoother. I think I'll be sticking with points from now on. |
| RockCrusher wrote: |
JB weld the case halves....that'll keep the fretting to a minimum.  |
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Steve Arndt Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| I'm running a Web 86A on 115 lobe center, retarded two degrees for piston to valve clearance during overlap. Also Udo tool steel lifters. Previously I ran the standard squishy 86B setup of 114LC -4. |
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midtravelmidengine Samba Member

Joined: August 06, 2009 Posts: 562 Location: Riverside, Ca
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: |
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they should make them in 85.5 for the mileage guys & 90.5B's for the 2110 guys as well... _________________
| modok wrote: |
| And I know you don't know because if you did you would know the reason for my knowing you didn't. |
| youngnstudly wrote: |
I just wasn't sure if I should recommend the 1/3 race cam, the 1/2 race cam, or the 5/8 race cam instead...guess it depends on how much of the race he wants to lead???
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DarthWeber Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2007 Posts: 7557 Location: Whittier,CA
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| midtravelmidengine wrote: |
| they should make them in 85.5 for the mileage guys & 90.5B's for the 2110 guys as well... |
Yes!!
So Steve Arndt, how about some feedback, what differences did you experience with the 86A vs. 86B cams? Which do you prefer? _________________
| Mitey62 wrote: |
| Swapped the Compufire for a Bosch blue and some points I had sitting around, started 1st crank. Took her out for a drive, pulls harder, more RPM, and runs smoother. I think I'll be sticking with points from now on. |
| RockCrusher wrote: |
JB weld the case halves....that'll keep the fretting to a minimum.  |
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 1027 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hello.
To aid to the discussion of whether to use these or not, - one of my std plus engine customers phoned me last friday.
(His engine is a 1914 SS type 1 w. a modified 34 mm PICT3 (now 38 w. 30 mm venturi) hand made end pieces 1" longer than normal and 31,5 mm I.D. stock ported heads 10,6 CR, 009 distr. w. modified advance curve, Raptor special grind (240 @ 0,50) split lift, 26 mm pump, 1½" heaterboxes and a CSP super comp exhaust. Transmission is a 3,88 R/P w. 0,89 4rth. 195/65 rears)
He and his wife just did a 376 mile trip in 6 hrs, one fuel and stretch legs stop included. Cruise speed 75-80 mph. He averaged 14,3 km/l (33,3 mpg) Oil temps between 170 and 182 F.
Engine is producing 96 hp @ 4400 and 160 NM max at 3300 rpm.
On this engine I modified the piston to match the combustion chamber in stead of the other way around. I took a 3D measurement of the chamber and had the "crown" machined so I had 1,2 mm clearance to the chamber. Seems to work well.
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bugnut68 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| midtravelmidengine wrote: |
| they should make them in 85.5 for the mileage guys & 90.5B's for the 2110 guys as well... |
I'm assuming it's all a matter of supply and demand. If I had the funds to afford them, I'd love to build a squishie motor. That being said, there's an assload of naysayers all over the net that won't spend the money for what's available, unfortunately, so I suspect the mileage and 2110 guys are every bit as cheapskates. |
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DarthWeber Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Awesome results Alstrup, awesome!!  _________________
| Mitey62 wrote: |
| Swapped the Compufire for a Bosch blue and some points I had sitting around, started 1st crank. Took her out for a drive, pulls harder, more RPM, and runs smoother. I think I'll be sticking with points from now on. |
| RockCrusher wrote: |
JB weld the case halves....that'll keep the fretting to a minimum.  |
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