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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

with what I have read, the pistons I ran for oh somany years at 13.8cr in my daily driven street car running 93 oct fuel(pump gas) must of been squisheys. about 14 years of hard abuse, they have now been ceramic & dfl coated and ready for usage again( @ over 14.5 cr).I hope I get to use them again,618 hp (dyno&track calc .within about 10 hp)from a streetable small block is a lot fun. I wish I could get a set of pistons for these vw's for what I paid for them ohsomany years ago.(around 1982)I dont know if I will ever get to use any of the vw squisheys,Im tryen to wind down on this stuff(like thats going to happen)but you never know I still have atleast 3 of my own motors in the works.and realy dont want to do any body elses any more, just too much time away from my shit.
the mazda system looks good & with the right forging could be transfered to our vw stuff. and thier low cr diesel is neet too and with the right management could also be transfered over.possiably on the same motor!!now thats flex fuel
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eaallred wrote:
I once heard it:

"The Semi-Hemi bucket shaped design is great for holding lots of carbon buildup..."

Laughing


I've seen this reference made a lot, but I guess I got lucky with my combo as I never had this issue with my semi hemi 1776. That's the only semi hemi head engine I've had so far, but just my experience; of course, I didn't run 6.6:1 compression, either... perhaps that had something to do with it. lol. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark tucker wrote:
with what I have read, the pistons I ran for oh somany years at 13.8cr in my daily driven street car running 93 oct fuel(pump gas) must of been squisheys. about 14 years of hard abuse, they have now been ceramic & dfl coated and ready for usage again( @ over 14.5 cr).I hope I get to use them again,618 hp (dyno&track calc .within about 10 hp)from a streetable small block is a lot fun. I wish I could get a set of pistons for these vw's for what I paid for them ohsomany years ago.(around 1982)I dont know if I will ever get to use any of the vw squisheys,Im tryen to wind down on this stuff(like thats going to happen)but you never know I still have atleast 3 of my own motors in the works.and realy dont want to do any body elses any more, just too much time away from my shit.the mazda system looks good & with the right forging could be transfered to our vw stuff. and thier low cr diesel is neet too and with the right management could also be transfered over.possiably on the same motor!!now thats flex fuel


Not to hijack but, Mark I hear you buddy. Over 28 years of building everyone elses stuff. Now it's my turn. But when I get out, I seem to get pulled right back in...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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First off, the semi-hemi combustion chamber is stupid, you need at least 36 degrees of ignition advance to make them work. As for the theory behind the super squishy pistons, here are some great links. You can design the "squish" properties into the piston crown or the combustion chambers.

http://www.theoldone.com/articles/The_Soft_Head_1999/


Read the last two sentences here regarding exhaust temps:

http://www.jagweb.com/jagworld/v12-engine/page4.html


And do a Google search in images for michael may fireball combustion chamber. You will see the intake valve is flat and at near the piston crown which also is flat. The exhaust valve is also flat but considerably recessed in the head creating the actual combustion chamber and has the spark plug in that location. 1981 design!

And for the 21st century, check out Mazda's upcoming "squishy" combustion chamber:

http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/skyactiv/engine/skyactiv-g.html

14:1 compression ratio! Very Happy


yeah, but that skyactiv also has direct injection. cant have pre detonation without fuel.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VIN wrote:
yeah, but that skyactiv also has direct injection. cant have pre detonation without fuel.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is a custom camshaft best to get the most from these pistons with stock gears ? I am building a 2334 with K-10 cam and like the SS theory .
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe John (AC.Net) recommends the Web 86B with the SS pistons although he has run the 86C too. There is a ton of info on SS pistons on CalLook.com, just wade thru the SS haters comments and you can learn a lot about the combos that work from the guys actually running them.

Most run the cam about 4 degrees retarded (to prevent valve/piston clash) and the engines need very little timing, often less than 28 degrees of advance.

SS technology is quite interesting. Running 13:1, running very cool with tons of torque and having the ability to literally drive your VW across the USA is very neat indeed. I only wish SS pistons came in sizes other than 94mm.
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Swapped the Compufire for a Bosch blue and some points I had sitting around, started 1st crank. Took her out for a drive, pulls harder, more RPM, and runs smoother. I think I'll be sticking with points from now on.

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JB weld the case halves....that'll keep the fretting to a minimum. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I only wish SS pistons came in sizes other than 94mm.


I think 85.5 SS pistons would be a key ingredient for a mileage master motor build. A home run IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eaallred wrote:
I think 85.5 SS pistons would be a key ingredient for a mileage master motor build. A home run IMHO.

I absolutely agree, 100%! Applause
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Swapped the Compufire for a Bosch blue and some points I had sitting around, started 1st crank. Took her out for a drive, pulls harder, more RPM, and runs smoother. I think I'll be sticking with points from now on.

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JB weld the case halves....that'll keep the fretting to a minimum. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm running a Web 86A on 115 lobe center, retarded two degrees for piston to valve clearance during overlap. Also Udo tool steel lifters. Previously I ran the standard squishy 86B setup of 114LC -4.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they should make them in 85.5 for the mileage guys & 90.5B's for the 2110 guys as well...
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I just wasn't sure if I should recommend the 1/3 race cam, the 1/2 race cam, or the 5/8 race cam instead...guess it depends on how much of the race he wants to lead???
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

midtravelmidengine wrote:
they should make them in 85.5 for the mileage guys & 90.5B's for the 2110 guys as well...

Yes!!

So Steve Arndt, how about some feedback, what differences did you experience with the 86A vs. 86B cams? Which do you prefer?
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Swapped the Compufire for a Bosch blue and some points I had sitting around, started 1st crank. Took her out for a drive, pulls harder, more RPM, and runs smoother. I think I'll be sticking with points from now on.

RockCrusher wrote:
JB weld the case halves....that'll keep the fretting to a minimum. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello.
To aid to the discussion of whether to use these or not, - one of my std plus engine customers phoned me last friday.
(His engine is a 1914 SS type 1 w. a modified 34 mm PICT3 (now 38 w. 30 mm venturi) hand made end pieces 1" longer than normal and 31,5 mm I.D. stock ported heads 10,6 CR, 009 distr. w. modified advance curve, Raptor special grind (240 @ 0,50) split lift, 26 mm pump, 1½" heaterboxes and a CSP super comp exhaust. Transmission is a 3,88 R/P w. 0,89 4rth. 195/65 rears)
He and his wife just did a 376 mile trip in 6 hrs, one fuel and stretch legs stop included. Cruise speed 75-80 mph. He averaged 14,3 km/l (33,3 mpg) Oil temps between 170 and 182 F.
Engine is producing 96 hp @ 4400 and 160 NM max at 3300 rpm.

On this engine I modified the piston to match the combustion chamber in stead of the other way around. I took a 3D measurement of the chamber and had the "crown" machined so I had 1,2 mm clearance to the chamber. Seems to work well.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

midtravelmidengine wrote:
they should make them in 85.5 for the mileage guys & 90.5B's for the 2110 guys as well...


I'm assuming it's all a matter of supply and demand. If I had the funds to afford them, I'd love to build a squishie motor. That being said, there's an assload of naysayers all over the net that won't spend the money for what's available, unfortunately, so I suspect the mileage and 2110 guys are every bit as cheapskates.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome results Alstrup, awesome!! Very Happy
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Swapped the Compufire for a Bosch blue and some points I had sitting around, started 1st crank. Took her out for a drive, pulls harder, more RPM, and runs smoother. I think I'll be sticking with points from now on.

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JB weld the case halves....that'll keep the fretting to a minimum. Laughing
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