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saddlesore1
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 Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:57 am Post subject: Looking for owners of chasssis 108918-108949 |
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I have given up on the 356 Registry. I love the Samba. Much more down to earth guys.
I own 108950 and there are many anomalies on this car. I have track back and found it to be a special order car (someone wanted the newest model and had special items added on). Anyway. I would like to know if the others prior to my build have any of the same anomalies.
We always want to make our special.
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Barry Brisco
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I own A coupe 105553 built many months before your 356 but am interested in knowing more about the "anomalies" your car has since it is an A coupe, correct?
How about posting photos?
What is your name?
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1959 356A coupe #105553
1959 356A Convertible D #86439 (sold)
1964 356C coupe #216966 (sold)
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Steve Heinrichs
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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108950 was produced 8 Sep 1959. Becker radio. Nothing seems odd as to production.
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Barry Brisco
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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My apologies, I'm now home with my books handy and I see that 108950 is a very early B coupe, not an A.
Still, I'm curious as to the "anomalies"...
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1959 356A coupe #105553
1959 356A Convertible D #86439 (sold)
1964 356C coupe #216966 (sold)
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saddlesore1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve Heinrichs wrote: | 108950 was produced 8 Sep 1959. Becker radio. Nothing seems odd as to production.
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Wrong!!!!!. If I pull out my little book on all cars I could make the same statement.
1. There are factory seat belts. ( I am sure someone out there will try and correct me. Good Luck). I have owned this car for over 15 years and done lots of research.
2. There was a factory GT mirror mounted on the driver side fender.
3. There bumper brackets are A car with B bumpers.
4. On the rear fender where the license light shine up the mount is raised. not flat across.
5. The heater slides are all aluminum even the handle. I wounder when the change was made to plastic.
5. Ruby red was not a "standard" color. Yes it is listed but the amount of them was very few.
5. Every add on was on it. Luggage rack, luggage, straps, Europa radio, Day night mirror, electric clock, map light floor mats, etc.
I am told it was a special order car. would love to know more history and mostly about when changes were made to bumper brackets, bumpers and heat slides. I suspect it is one of the 1st 10 off the line. I am told there is not complete sequencing on numbers. i.e. 108918, 108919, 108920, etc. even so if that was the case it would be #32 |
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Steve Heinrichs
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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The car may well have all this stuff. I am simply saying that the production records---which do not note options except for radios, does not suggest anything out of the ordinary. The Reutter books essentially list only color codes. So, you are left with the kardex.
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saddlesore1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| My production documents list more than just what the reutter book states. it is supported by the kardex. This is why i am reaching out. i would love to discover it was in fact a custom order car and where it was ordered to. I believe it was a Cali delivered car. |
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Steve Heinrichs
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I really do not want an argument---I am talking about the information from the production book. If you have a COA or kardex or Reutter book, that isn't it. It is Porsche's day by day listing of the cars produced in the order of which they finished production; it does not list options. That info is mostly on the kardex.
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Steve Heinrichs
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I should add that the kardex never says "Special Order" per se. It would show generally the dealer and frequently the initial customer. Seat belts and some of of the other items might be mentioned.
The COA might well tell you the dealer name; it will not note the customer name.
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saddlesore1
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| I not arguing. I agree with most of what you are saying. I am hoping someone on this board has one of the potential cars I listed. I have been trying to justify a special build, but to no avail. No where in my documentation does it list private or custom and I don't expect it to. If someone has a car prior to mine and has better documentation that I have. It will give food for fodder. |
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Steve Heinrichs
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Respectfully---(I do not know your name)--
All of the items you note could well have been ordered and the paint color was certainly available. I assume/agree that your car had all these options, etc.
So, yes, likely a specific order but you will never know. As to other cars in the range, there is zero correlation---just di not work that way.
You have a fine car with lots of goodies. You desreve to be proud. I'd love to see it. I think there is no Holy Grail here. The others in the range would not be the same.
As to production stuff---there is only one source for that: the production books. Never discussed here or that other place. Please beleive me as to what they show.
You have a wonderful car!
Best,
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CarreraGT
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| saddlesore1 wrote: | | Steve Heinrichs wrote: | 108950 was produced 8 Sep 1959. Becker radio. Nothing seems odd as to production.
Steve Heinrichs |
Wrong!!!!!. If I pull out my little book on all cars I could make the same statement.
1. There are factory seat belts. ( I am sure someone out there will try and correct me. Good Luck). I have owned this car for over 15 years and done lots of research.
2. There was a factory GT mirror mounted on the driver side fender.
3. There bumper brackets are A car with B bumpers.
4. On the rear fender where the license light shine up the mount is raised. not flat across.
5. The heater slides are all aluminum even the handle. I wounder when the change was made to plastic.
5. Ruby red was not a "standard" color. Yes it is listed but the amount of them was very few.
5. Every add on was on it. Luggage rack, luggage, straps, Europa radio, Day night mirror, electric clock, map light floor mats, etc.
I am told it was a special order car. would love to know more history and mostly about when changes were made to bumper brackets, bumpers and heat slides. I suspect it is one of the 1st 10 off the line. I am told there is not complete sequencing on numbers. i.e. 108918, 108919, 108920, etc. even so if that was the case it would be #32 |
Hello - Interesting description. Is your chassis/body a 356A coupe? ...because it is listed as a T5 356B coupe.
You mention "A" bumper brackets, but those will not work on a "B" chassis.
And the raised area for the rear back-up light is supposed to be like that on the 356B body. However, you mention a "shine up" light ..that's normally referred to for the T2 356A back-up light. Some late T2 "A" chassis did have the new "B" raised metal shape applied (not usable) in advance, but that back up light mounting point was meant for below the rear bumper - not above it for an "A" chassis.
So, the description of the car is a bit confusing.
Many of the "extras" on your coupe could certainly be factory "Porsche" intended parts. However, many times these "options" were fitted (for the customer) at the Porsche dealership where the car was delivered to.
As Steve Heinrichs mentioned, the kardex could list items fitted right at the factory as pre-ordered options...and "sometimes" those items get listed on a CoA if properly completed by that "USA" department.
To offer you more help, pictures of your car would be helpful....it's sounds like a nice car, but the one built before, or after, is most times insignificant.
-Michael Doyle- |
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saddlesore1
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yes the car is a T5.
It has A bumper brackets. I know I restored the car. They only fit on my car. The brackets are same size and shape as A not B. yet the holes are different. When reassembling this car I looked for weeks for the brackets because I set these aside thinking they where the wrong ones, yet none of the B brackets laying around fit. I am curious if anyone else has the same.
I am talking about the license shine up not back up with the raised area.
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Jacks
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Oh, on the rear bumper. You said rear fender. Confusing
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CarreraGT
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Ok...so your coupe is a T5 356B.
The chassis number 108 950 indicates it's an early T5 series model that began in September 1959 and included nos. 108918-110237.
The picture you provided helps to understand you meant the "pair" of license lights mounted on the bumper. The raised area on the bumper itself for the light (not on the body-fender as you described before) is early series stuff. I appreciate features like that, but perhaps Porsche found it to be less expensive to simply have that surface be flat, not raised, to accomplish the same lighting needs to the plate. They were always looking for ways to cut costs and still maintain excellence in the designs.
The 356A bumper brackets you mention sound odd, and not thought to be interchangeable to a T5B. My first thought is that "A' brackets are designed to fit in a much lower inner body location. You might check and see where yours actually mount at (?). Bumper height was a mandatory change in the USA...that's why the T2 vs T5 body style was made, and carried on into the later T6 B/C models.
If you have Brett Johnson's book nearby he may have pointed out this bumper difference. And more pictures are helpful too.
best/Michael Doyle |
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