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ugmold Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2006 Posts: 208 Location: 02189
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: Empi Shifter install |
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I am having trouble getting my Empi Shifter to work correctly. I followed the instructions, using the 3/8ths spacer after measuring down 3/4 to the socket top. Reverse is the only easy gear. I have to hold the reverse lock to get it into 1st or 2nd. 3rd and 4th seem easier to get into....
The picture does not show the old reverse plate...do I need it?
Also the kit included a thin plate as well which is not pictured....jeeezz
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Joey Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2005 Posts: 5364 Location: Nova Scotia - Canada
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Empi Shifter install |
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ugmold wrote: |
I am having trouble getting my Empi Shifter to work correctly. |
That's because 99.99% of all EMPI stuff SUCKS!
Every Mistake Passes Inspection _________________ Joey
‘60 Kombi - '74 Bus - '79 Panel - '65 Beetle |
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ugmold Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2006 Posts: 208 Location: 02189
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the help |
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airhead22 Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2005 Posts: 267 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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see if you can move the mounting plate to the left a little that should free up some movement so the shifter can throw the shift linkage to the right some more. |
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LeeE Samba Member
Joined: May 25, 2004 Posts: 387 Location: Orlando
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Hi
I had an EMPI shifter in my bus, and it seemed to work fine.
You definitely need the original bottom shift plate, in the same location as it was when you removed the stock shifter. Then you need the riser, and the shifter assembly mounts over it with longer bolts. Once it's installed, you have to trial and error the adjustment of the shift plate, tighten the bolts and test until you can get all gears smoothly, and then tighten the bolts very tight so the shifter base won't move.
Mine worked OK, but it was just too tall, too upright and too chrome.
LeeE _________________ 1978 Westfalia stock 2.0 FI
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mintonman Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2003 Posts: 4245 Location: between Trenton NJ. & Philly Pa.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: |
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I had one in my 79 bus until the cable inside snapped for the reverse lockout, so I bought a scat shifter for it, I then sold the 79 & bought a 59 singlecab that had the OG shifter(BORING ), so I dug out my old trigger with snapped cable, straightened it out, cut it down in height, replaced the inner cable & made a new shifter ball for it, now it gets used everyday without a problem. It's all about trial & error, just keep adjusting it as mentioned above, if I can get one to work in a 59, you can get one to work in your bus, BELIEVE ME! & good luck with it
_________________ Hoockd on fonicks werkt for mee?
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ugmold Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2006 Posts: 208 Location: 02189
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Wow Mintonman that looks great!
Well after reading the first response I got, and trying to get ready for my first roadtrip/camptrip, I put the old shifter back in. It works better now than before I pulled it out. The only minor trouble I had was it going into 4th (no big deal).
Also after reading LeeE post about the reverse lock plate being still needed, makes me want to try it again, but not til after this first roadtrip.
Thanks very much!
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mintonman Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2003 Posts: 4245 Location: between Trenton NJ. & Philly Pa.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Thanks man! Your shifter probably needed an adjustment originally, they are pretty touchy if the base is just moved alittle bit, so when you get back & try again you'll probably get it after a couple tries. To fine tune mine I left the bolts pretty snug, to the point it wouldn't move when trying to shift then I would tap the base sides alittle with a hammer & try shifting again until it was super smooth. I aways put a BIG glob of wheel bearing grease on the end of the shifter aswell & if you have a grease gun squirting some down in the cup the shifter sits in doesn't hurt either. Good luck & let us know how you make out.................James(MINTONMAN) _________________ Hoockd on fonicks werkt for mee?
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Joey Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry for the negative reply, but, if you do a search on EMPI you'll find out that most of it's junk. Another name to stay away from is GEX, they rebuild (..and I use that term loosely) engines. _________________ Joey
‘60 Kombi - '74 Bus - '79 Panel - '65 Beetle |
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mintonman Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2003 Posts: 4245 Location: between Trenton NJ. & Philly Pa.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think we all know empi is now junk(didn't you tell us already??) aswell as 90% of aftermarket shit. My shifter isn't empi anyway that I know of, it has no marking on it & besides, if your talented enough you can make anything work. This shifter isn't even ment to be used on a bus earlier then 61 due to the big ball on the end of the shifter that goes down into the linkage cup, but I got mine to work smooth as silk. I didn't like the stock shifter & wanted the trigger, so I did what any capeable person would do, alter it to your personal liking, WALA! The thing with GEX is it was NEVER a good company. _________________ Hoockd on fonicks werkt for mee?
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ugmold Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2006 Posts: 208 Location: 02189
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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That is the aditude I like Mintonman, I think after I understand the shifting chain/mechanisms I will be a little more patient with outcome. Like I said re-installing the old one proved to me it can get better if you fudge with it (a bit longer)
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highlandmurf Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2010 Posts: 296 Location: Hudson Valley, NY
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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I figured I would resurrect this post, as I recently solved the shifting issues that I was having with my shifter.
I was swapping out Empi for Empi, but could not get the new one aligned correctly.
It was solved by trial and error adjusting it in neutral, not in 2nd as is recommended with the stock shifter.
I managed to track down the Empi install instructions online.
_________________ 1976 Westy Marigold Yellow
2.0 stock FI
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rotdog Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2003 Posts: 138 Location: Hawaii
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:22 pm Post subject: EMPI Shifter Install |
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Aloha From Hawaii, I wanted to share the small bit of info about an EMPI shifter for my 1978 Bay Window Bus. My humble friend who I call master old school VW mechanic used the 3/4" spacer and it is working AWESOME!!! He also mentioned the thinner 3/8" plate is for 1967 down and the thicker 3/4" is for 1968 up. I have driven to work every day for a week now without any hang ups at all! Round trip is 30 miles. People have oipnions about this shifter, but it work for me and I would deffinetly reccommend it for the low price of $75.00 new.
Hope I help some people out there. Aloha Rdog |
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chabanais Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2002 Posts: 4866
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Sum Ting Wong?
Welcome to EMPI. _________________ "I spud therefore I yam." |
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DougB Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2007 Posts: 1076 Location: Falls Church, Virginia, USA
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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I just installed an EMPI shifter today and it works well...install was super fast...but then again, I'd already spent the past few weeks installing a totally new drivetrain, including a Rancho-rebuilt tranny, and also inspected/replaced/greased all of my shift rod bushings, installed new shift rod boots, installed the CNC rod coupler sold by a guy in the Classifieds section, and tightened/safety wired all of the linkage bolts. When I first bought the '75 in April it had a very very wide X shift pattern...now it's a super compact H with zero uncertainty as to where each gear is. The shifter was cheap, and I know you get what you pay for with EMPI products, but all of the shifter's weaknesses seem easily rectified in the home workshop (e.g. replacing rivets with bolts/nuts).
Just wanted to say (for those considering them) that these shifters can work well, particularly if you've dealt with all of the usual sources of slop (coupler, bushings, ball inside tranny).
- Doug _________________ '75 Campmobile (tin-top to SpaceRoof)
'73 Fastback
'52 BMW R67/2
'41 Zundapp KS600
'55 Puch SGS250
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Hoody Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2007 Posts: 1948
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I would suggest a plan B as this set up will fail in a short time. |
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DougB Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2007 Posts: 1076 Location: Falls Church, Virginia, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:03 am Post subject: |
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IMO these shifters have known failure points that can be enhanced to improve reliability. The main reason I see for them not working is that people try to install them in vehicles with well worn shift trains expecting the shifter to magically fix all the problems (which it's obviously not going to do). There are only so many things that can go functionally wring with a stick on a ball joint. The only area for which I'd love to see an improvement would be the spacer...perhaps I'll try to mill a new one from alloy, or weld a stronger steel one at a later date. _________________ '75 Campmobile (tin-top to SpaceRoof)
'73 Fastback
'52 BMW R67/2
'41 Zundapp KS600
'55 Puch SGS250
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Dogo Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2009 Posts: 252 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Empi Shifter install |
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I wanted to share my experience with this shifter, since I’ve had mixed reviews about it and I know a lot of people struggle with it.
I ordered one and crossed my fingers in hopes of getting a “good one”. After a day of trying to adjust the shifter, I could only get it to shift between 3-4th. I walked away and the following day I drilled the holes bigger. The stock holes have quite a bit of movement front to back, but very little side to side. I’ve enlarged the holes of the base of the shifter with a step drill bit that goes up to 1/2” making a fatter oval. The step drill bit is important, I think, it would be no fun trying to enlarge this hole with a conventional bit.
Once done I set it down, eyeballed it in the center and boom, shifts like a champ. I can’t speak for durability, but the shifting feels very nice.
This is in a ‘70 bus and I used the shorter spacer. The taller spacer also worked, but the shorter one worked much better.
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