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Egypt Classic Cars Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2010 Posts: 123 Location: Egypt
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:33 pm Post subject: Split Tail light lenses |
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Hi, I got these tail light lenses here it looks NOS but I am not sure if it is original or reproduction it printed on the glass
"Hella k 1401"
_________________ Ashraf
1950 Split Window
1953 Zwitter |
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Björn Schewe Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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As far as I know, there are no reproduction of red casted glassas on the marked in reason of the complicated way to find a company who can cast real red coloured glas. If it is a copy, it is not a good idea to use the Hella-Logo and the protection sign without legitamition... |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9359 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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There are red glass repros around, but not that many. I have a box of several pairs of NOS originals ( in the VW box with the part number) and they do not have that etched glass Hella/#. No markings at all.... _________________ John Henry
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Egypt Classic Cars Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2010 Posts: 123 Location: Egypt
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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As I can see they are in perfect condition just some dust from being a lot of time, on the other hand I see that this printed text looks very old and I am sure it is not printed here in Egypt
However The man who have these lenses looking to sell them it is about 16 pieces, is it worth to buy them all? if so I can get them and trade them with other parts I need for my 1950 Split or 1953 Zwitter _________________ Ashraf
1950 Split Window
1953 Zwitter |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: |
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The original Hella's didn't have any markings. Perhaps at some point later than split production Hella was required to have markings for whatever reason. So instead of throwing out old stock or re-tooling they just etched them. would be the cheapest and easiest way to comply, especially if they were just spare parts at that point in time. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Egypt Classic Cars Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2010 Posts: 123 Location: Egypt
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:11 am Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
The original Hella's didn't have any markings. Perhaps at some point later than split production Hella was required to have markings for whatever reason. So instead of throwing out old stock or re-tooling they just etched them. would be the cheapest and easiest way to comply, especially if they were just spare parts at that point in time. |
That is a reasonable remark, that means that these lenses are really NOS, thanks Chris _________________ Ashraf
1950 Split Window
1953 Zwitter |
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originalo Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2007 Posts: 358 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Before taking these lenses in consideration you should check if they have the correct diameters and geometry and such can be installed to split taillight housings.
In the Fifties there were made many round similar looking glass lenses for many different cars and motorbikes!
PS: To my knowledge HELLA split taillights never were marked with the HELLA logo in the glass. Glass uses to be without any markings. On the countrary HASSIA split taillight lenses were marked with the HASSIA logo in the center of lens. |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:48 am Post subject: |
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originalo wrote: |
PS: To my knowledge HELLA split taillights never were marked with the HELLA logo in the glass. Glass uses to be without any markings. On the countrary HASSIA split taillight lenses were marked with the HASSIA logo in the center of lens. |
That is the only two versions I have seen. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Egypt Classic Cars wrote: |
splitjunkie wrote: |
The original Hella's didn't have any markings. Perhaps at some point later than split production Hella was required to have markings for whatever reason. So instead of throwing out old stock or re-tooling they just etched them. would be the cheapest and easiest way to comply, especially if they were just spare parts at that point in time. |
That is a reasonable remark, that means that these lenses are really NOS, thanks Chris |
I don't know this for a fact. It's just a theory. Unless someone can confirm it it is still just a theory. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Interestingly, the guy I bought my boxes of lenses from many years ago at the classic said he had bought a big parts lot that came out of Egypt. The are the kind with the aluminum ring around them (not visible when installed though, not like the '49 lenses) and the plastic diffuser bound to the back of them. No markings on the face... _________________ John Henry
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franklinunes Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
The original Hella's didn't have any markings. Perhaps at some point later than split production Hella was required to have markings for whatever reason. So instead of throwing out old stock or re-tooling they just etched them. would be the cheapest and easiest way to comply, especially if they were just spare parts at that point in time. |
Hello my friends.
Not sure about that , this is a good point to someone confirm these lense, I have only one and if out there someone has one to sell let me know.
here it comes this lense, this hella is with makings but not pained, it is all in glass, to me looks original it was coming with the housing, is at home more than 20 years, besides that housing is hella, to me is original.
None of this is to sell just to share and tell this lenses none has markings...hella or other. Only one lense has a marking hella, just see the pictures above.
Best Regards, I hope I was helping and not making more confusing with this Hella lense |
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Guillermo Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2003 Posts: 114 Location: San Diego CA
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:13 am Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
Interestingly, the guy I bought my boxes of lenses from many years ago at the classic said he had bought a big parts lot that came out of Egypt. The are the kind with the aluminum ring around them (not visible when installed though, not like the '49 lenses) and the plastic diffuser bound to the back of them. No markings on the face... |
thats funny he sold me a couple of the same boxes to me and he lives 5 minutes from my house _________________ 1956 convertible
1958 panel bus
1969 Datsun Bluebird SSS "JDM" |
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itizmyne4 Samba Member
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franklinunes Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Hi i decided to awake this thread because the lenses from Egypt are for sale today.
I realise that markings looks like the zwitter only heart lenses, the early one it looks like the same process...witch makes me think perhaps in time there was a later split lenses before the zwitter lenses...low manufacturing maybe just months before the new model
that lense I posted I discovered later it was from Brazil hella marked, witch makes me think and was pointed here maybe some country's by law was necessary to be marked.
Just a theory based on a natural progress in time
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