Felt Ring Retainer - does it exist?

[raygreenwood]

[tardfarmer]

So this "felt ring" only applies to type IV motors?
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'71 deluxe seven seater, 1600 DP, OG paint, Pertronix ignition.

[SGKent]

I believe it is included inside new gland nuts on the T1 motors.
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[Westy Steve]

Reviving an old thread because I have a question:

If you don't have the retainer, but you have the felt ring (for a Type IV engine):

(1.) Do you think it's better to just run the pilot bearing without the felt ring? or

(2.) Is it better to also use the felt ring too, even though there will be some slack in there that might cause the felt to wobble/move around?

(Bonus Question): If you believe it's better to go without the felt ring at all, should I slather the pilot bearing with my (Moly-based) grease, or just grease it sparingly to inhibit dust gathering?

Bear in mind that if I get 20,000 more miles out of this engine, my bus will outlive me.

Thanks
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[Tcash]

Felt ring, Pilot bearing and Felt Retainer
#26, 111 105 311 Felt ring Type I comes in gland nut.
#(26), 021 105 311 Felt ring with Felt Retainer (spacer) Type IV.
#27, 111 105 313 A Pilot bearing (needle bearing) , Type I & IV, 1950-79.
#28, 111 105 315 Felt Retainer (spacer) Yr-?
thanks to jerseylooker

http://www.jerseylooker.com/FicheDump/EarlyBaywindow/1-016.jpg

thanks to mayor ratwell http://www.ratwell.com/technical/091Transmission.html#clutch.

Found some pics. Thanks to noslencb
Type IV Diagram

Type IV Without Felt ring and Felt Retainer (spacer).

Type IV With Felt ring and Felt Retainer (spacer).
Note I have seen a Felt retainer that had no shoulder and was a spring band.

Thanks to Desertbusman
Type I Gland Nut
Note: The Felt, Pilot (needle bearing) and Felt Retainer come installed in the Gland nut.
Note: The wide shoulder on the Felt Retainer versus the Type IV. The Felt and Felt retainer on the Type I have a bigger outside diameter, than the Type IV.

[Desertbusman]

[curtis4085]

I believe busdepot could get these.
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[otiswesty]

I'm mounting my fly wheel on a Type 4 2.0 L right now and am missing the felt ring in my kit. The local supplier can get them for me for $1.50 each. I ordered one for later today. The Bentley only shows the ring and no spacer. Parts supplier says the felt ring is not used any more. Can't find the metal spacer readily available.

2 Questions:

Does the felt ring go up against the needle bearing prior to mounting the flywheel?

or

As shown on the diagram in the Bentley, does the flywheel go on and then the felt ring before the washer under the flywheel bolts?
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1978 Sage Green P22 Westfalia
1989 T3 Syncro Single cab

Just a regular guy

[old DKP driver]

The felt ring was designed to help keep the clutch disc dust out of the
needle bearing

Install it before installing the flywheel & lock plate. Or at least "Before" the lock plate as the opening is now smaller after the lock plate is installed .
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[otiswesty]

With the flywheel on the crank and the lock plate off, it is easy to slip the felt ring into a groove between the flywheel and pilot bearing. Bentley says to oil the felt ring, I did not
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1978 Sage Green P22 Westfalia
1989 T3 Syncro Single cab

Just a regular guy

[old DKP driver]

You can still apply oil to the felt after it is installed . either by a finger or
putting some on the input shaft before installing the transmission.

Not a big deal to lubricate the felt while installed.
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V.W.owner since 1967

[Hoody]

What He said....I don't know of any retainer. Yes oil the felt. It's a dust seal....period....oil and felt capture dust. Replace as necessary.

[kooper271]

Anyone have a source for the felt ring? I can't find anyone that has them in stock for a reasonable shipping cost (less than $20)

[Hoody]

Google 111105311

[Findog78]

I've been searching for hours and reading treads back to 2009. Did anybody come up with a good part number for the felt ring spacer?

What about using an 0-ring?

[Lil Lulu]

I am going through this now after 60,000 miles and I installed the ring and spacer. The bearing was in good shape and had no clutch dust in it.

I’m replacing the bearing, felt and spacer. Why not? $4.00
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1600 stock from '71 bus

'72 Deluxe - Niagara Blue w/pastelwiess Camper Special 2L dual 40 Webers 002

'74 Hightop Weekender "Dixie" 1800 34 Del singles

[Wildthings]

Buy a stepped drill bit, get out the drill motor, and clearance the back of the flywheel so that the "Diesel" style pilot bearing with an integral rubber lip seal will fit and be done with the felt washer and retainer forever.

The counter bore doesn't need to be as deep as what is shown here


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[mr. lang]

I was browsing through a few manuals and found this by accident, which I thought could be useful for one or the other.

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[ivwshane]

So I just got my flywheel back from the machine shop. Besides giving me a flywheel seal, it looks like he gave me a retaining ring as well.

The felt washer I have looks too big no matter where it goes.

Does it look like I have the right one? I got it from bughaus.
https://www.bughaus.com/Pilot_Bearing_Felt_Ring_-_111105311.htm
The felt washer is underneath the retaining ring in the top picture.

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77 westy 2.0 FI
69 ghia coup 1600dp
70 single cab

[ivwshane]

Buehler? Buehler? Anyone?
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77 westy 2.0 FI
69 ghia coup 1600dp
70 single cab