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Rlowery
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 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:35 pm Post subject: Firing order 1234 |
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What the heck is wrong? Rebuilt 1776. Wouldnt start with 1432 but when i switched the firing order to 1234 it runs well.
This is driving me nuts.
What did I do wrong put the engine together wrong??
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MURZI
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Your timing is just 180 out...no biggie.
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Rlowery
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| how can i fix this?? |
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modok
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1234 won't work, only two cylinders would fire, but it probably isn't hooked up like you think.
The cylinder # is on the tins and the distributor turns clockwise viewed from above. |
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MURZI
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Rlowery wrote: |
| how can i fix this?? |
Put pulley to TDC. Pull the driver side valve cover. The cylinder in the front of the car is #3. Rock the pulley back and forth on both sides of TDC. Are the rockers moving?? If no, rotate the pulley one more time to TDC. Repeat... Rock the pulley back and forth and watch the rockers move. Now...pop the dist cap and look at rotor position. Start firing order right there. 1432 in clockwise rotation.
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Todd66
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| Are you going clockwise or counterclockwise on the distributor? |
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Juanito84
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I've always wondered why we have a 1-4-3-2 firing order on our VWs. It would seem easier to say 4-3-2-1. Or rename them so that 4 is 1, 3 is 2, 2 is 3 and 1 is 4, and then say the order is 1-2-3-4. When I get my time machine finished I'm going to go back in time and suggest that to Mr Porsche.
Here's the correct firing order:
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modok
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| The numbers seem to be chosen ford style, forward drivers side #1, except the driver was on the right. |
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Juanito84
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Well I'll need to go back in time and give Ford a few words of advice too. Does aircooled.net sell any flux capacitors for Bugs?  I guess I'm disrespectful. Sorry. 
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modok
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yeah.
World would be simpler if they numbered all engines the same! |
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Howard 111
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Juan, I happen to have several flux capacitors for sale, $19.95. The sale ends a week ago.  |
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FreeBug
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| On most european engines, there are conventions, starting numbering from the flywheel, or from the cam belt/chain, but the VW manages to defy all of the ones I know of.... Incidentally, in a jam, i prefer to adjust my valves turning the engine over backwards, to only have one valve cover off at a time. As for firing order, i think it was dr. Porsche's attempt at thwarting the american advance by confusing mechanics working on captured kubelwagens. |
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Maybe the OP is using a points style distributor. In relation to the points, it looks like the distributor is rotating backwards. He might have everything correct but just be wrong in his thinking as to what direction the distributor rotates.  |
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Alpha_Maverick
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while you're going back in time, make sure and go smack Ben Franklin, and tell him that electrons are positive (he didn't call it electrons, but he's the one that started the naming convention we have today), so that electronics make more sense!
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Juanito84
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Clockwise my dear good friend, clockwise.
Franklin thought electricity flowed from positive to negative, and we are still taught that. But actually electrons flow from negative to positive. Hence we say they are negatively charged. I'll have to orient him too.
The rotor spins clockwise. 1-4-3-2. Or if you're me, 4-3-2-1 Blast Off!
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Rlowery
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| Murzi thanks for your reply. This is really strange. I am going to take a few pictures. Could I have put the engine together wrong. I have a 69 crank balanced and a 100 engle cam. The break in went well and the engine idles well except for a small mild popping that i have not yet addressed. I dont know what it is just yet?? |
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Rlowery
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| #1 piston is at TDC and the rotpr is pointing to the distributor notch at about 5 oclock. the rotation is clockwise and the next position on the rotor is to cylinder #2 |
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Juanito84
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| Rlowery wrote: |
| #1 piston is at TDC and the rotpr is pointing to the distributor notch at about 5 oclock. the rotation is clockwise and the next position on the rotor is to cylinder #2 |
Let's see here. Is this what happens?
#1 piston at TDC, but no rocker arms moving on it if you move the crankshaft back and forth (#3 rocker arms are moving) rotor at 5 o'clock.
You turn the engine half a crankshaft turn so the rotor now points to 8 o'clock. #4 cylinder is TDC, no rocker movement (but #2 rockers move)
You turn it another the crankshaft half turn so that the rotor is at 11 o'clock. Now the #3 cylinder is at TDC, no rocker movement (but #1 rockers move).
Then you turn a half turn on the crankshaft again so the rotor is at 2 o'clock. Now the #2 cylinders is at TDC with no rocker movement, (rockers move on #4)
Is this what you are experiencing?
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Juanito84
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| Maybe the OP is using a points style distributor. In relation to the points, it looks like the distributor is rotating backwards. He might have everything correct but just be wrong in his thinking as to what direction the distributor rotates. |
If what I described above is correct, then this seems to be your problem. (Don't worry. We've all done it before!)
5 o'clock is #1
8 o'clock is #4
11 o'clock is #3 and
2 o'clock is #2.
Is that the way you are counting them? Are you hooking up #1 to #1 cylinder, #2 to #2 cylinder, #3 to #3 and #4 to #4? That is the way they should be connected. It doesn't matter in what order you connect them as long as #1 connects to #1 and #2 to #2 and #3 to #3 and #4 to #4. They will fire 1-4-3-2-1-4-3-2-1-4-3-2-1-4-3-2-1-4-3-2 as the engine runs.
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Dale M.
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| #1 piston is at TDC and the rotpr is pointing to the distributor notch at about 5 oclock. the rotation is clockwise and the next position on the rotor is to cylinder #2 |
Nope... Next position is #4...
If you go COUNTER CLOCKWISE (anti clockwise) then it is #2... But the world does not work that way...
Dale
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