Need Transmission guidance

Cainepolo12 · Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:21 pm Post subject: Need Transmission guidance

After 10 years of sitting, I decided to rebuild my 1967 s042 hardtop. Ive rebuilt thee engine and everything is running great. I went to back it out... and nothing. Nothing in first or any gear. The car has been pushed in neutral but that is all the moving it has done.

Here's what I know-
The transmission worked when I put it in storage. In fact, it was great.
It feels as though it goes in and out of gears smoothly when shifting
There are no weird noises or strains

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Transmissions are totally foreign to me, but I can rebuild an engine, so I can tackle most things. I am not sure where to begin looking for the answer. Thanks in advance.

joe56vw · Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:50 pm Post subject:

it might be something inside the bellhousing that is off from sitting so long
I would pull the engine out and start there look at clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing, the clutch cable and arm
also check the oil in the tranny maybe it leaked out and is not letting it go into gear
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nice dad · Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:54 pm Post subject:

How is your shift rod connection to the tranny?

You may be manipulating the stick shift thinking you are going into gears when you may not be.
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BulliBill · Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:29 pm Post subject:

I'm betting on the same thing, sounds like your shift rod connector is severed, no more gears until you replace it. Crawl underneath it, look at the connector just forward of the nose of the transmission. What does it look like? Grab the shift rod and wiggle it, or have someone in the cab (everything off, brakes set!) shift through the gears while you watch the connector. I'll bet you'll find it severed. The rubber center of the connector rots away and finally breaks.

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Cainepolo12 · Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:27 pm Post subject:

Im going to crawl under tonight and check the connector. The clutch, pressure plate, etc are all new, but who knows. Thanks guys, I will let you know what I find.

Cainepolo12 · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:19 am Post subject:

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Here is what I found. I believe this is the Shift Rod coupling. Everything looks to be ok.

j.pickens · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:19 am Post subject:

You say its a new clutch, could it be adjusted too tight, keeping the bus out of gear?

Did you have someone in the cab shifting gears while you watched underneath where your photo was taken?
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Cainepolo12 · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:53 am Post subject:

I am going to pull the engine again today. I will check torque on the clutch. I cant imagine I wouldnt have torqued it properly but who knows. Should the motor be running when I shift through the gears? I am assuming NO, but I have been wrong before. I will shoot a video while i do that and see what happens. Also, going to drain and refill the tranny before anything else per another suggestion,

Cainepolo12 · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:11 am Post subject:

I just took a video from underneath while I shifted through gears and everything is moving as it should. I dont think there is a way to upload video here, but I am pretty sure everything is ok. This leads me to think that the clutch is too tight or the transmission is seized. What could I be missing? Draining and refilling tranny now. Thanks guys.

mandraks · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:15 am Post subject:

i think we are not suggesting it is not torqued correctly, but rather the cable might need adjustment.

it is also possible that your clutch disk is sticking to the flywheel?

if it has been sitting for a long time this could easily have happened.

that could make shifting tricky Smile

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ToolBox · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:30 am Post subject:

Clutch not adjusted correctly, wrong PP and TOB or the reverse gear collar has moved and the inputshaft has come apart.

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as long as the oil level is close to full and it's clean, there is no need to change
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BarryL · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:33 pm Post subject:

It looks like the grub screw is loose next to the greasy boot. If that's not home it won't shift. Can you see if the rod going into the boot area is push/pull/twisting?

Cainepolo12 · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:42 pm Post subject:

The rod does push, pull and twist depending on which gear its in. I noticed the same thing and tried to tighten it, but it is cranked down. Also, I rolled the car in neutral and it rolls free. I put it in first and it stops. This leads me to believe it is clutch related. I am going to start with adjusting the clutch cable. If that doesnt do it ill drop the motor. Thanks again guys.

BarryL · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:47 am Post subject:

iamdonquixote · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:54 am Post subject:

Whats happening at the nose cone?

with engine off you can crawl under there and make sure the shaft on the nose cone is moving. You can also remove the shift rod and move the shaft with a pair of vise-grips etc.

demon1018 · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:20 pm Post subject:

will it not shift into a gear when its running? but it does when its off?

bro2539 · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:14 pm Post subject:

have you checked to see if you have a stripped drum? If the splines are rounded off, it will keep it from moving.

KevinAlbrecht · Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:04 am Post subject:

I am just reading this today, and now I am curious what the issue was?
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bluebeetle63 · Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:21 pm Post subject:

try this if you have the engine out, it may help narrow down the problem. put the disk on the main shaft in the tranny housing, have someone throw it into first and hold it there, then you turn the disk clockwise. While your back there listen for any strange noises and feel for anything weird in the shaft while your turning the disk, the bus should move. Try all the gears. One other thing you can disconnect the shift rod when the tranny is in neutral, grab the shift fork in the nose cone wiggle and move it, feel for something odd, say it spins in a full circle with no resistance you know your fork broke.
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