Will installing a B2 cause my '58 to lose value?

AidenM · Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:53 am Post subject:

Thanks, beryl green'62bug, for the link to that installation manual. I'd been wondering about the Z-series heaters and that manual will prove helpful for my install. One difference seems to be that the feed and return of the 8542 both go into the top of the tank.

Heater and tank are due to arrive today via FedEx and I can't wait to rehab the heater and install it (though temps here in the front range of Colorado are due to be back up in the 50's and 60's). A few people have pmailed me regarding templates for this heater install. The seller was in a unique position when he was uninstalling the heater in that he was cutting up the car. He did me (and all of us interested in installing an 8542) a great favor by cutting out the trunk and inner fender section of the actual car and including them in the box. Hopefully this will allow for a direct transfer of hole positions, etc. Once I've got my heater installed this piece will be available as a template to anyone who needs it.

Also, I actually appreciate cautionary tales such as the 412 firebomb that Allsidius related. I think it's important to remember that in the application and utilization of Newtonian physics, it's Murphy's Law that has the most profound effect on the eventual outcome. Thanks Allsidius for telling that story.

GüteAndTite · Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:31 am Post subject:

sunroof · Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:58 am Post subject:

I have seen a few burnt cars because of gas heaters, they were all '70s cars with plastic heaters. I had a '65 with a gas heater, worked a treat if you wanted to roast your nuts. There are two problems with those things: they don't provide any defrost which is the big problem in a cold climate and they burn exactly as much fuel as the engine, cutting your gas mileage in half.

Here in Winterpeg, a VW collector will soon amass a collection of heaters, I had a half dozen at one point. I didn't want them, the Americans didn't know what they were and didn't want them so they went to the recyclers. I still have a gas tank with the hoses kicking around tho.

Having said all that: you do what you want as it is your car, but I wouldn't butcher a car to install one no matter how cool they seem.

Don

allsidius · Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:09 am Post subject:

thomas. · Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:46 pm Post subject:

GüteAndTite · Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject:

Aiden, can you take pictures of your gas heater install and post them up? id love to see the progress
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baja274 · Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject:

Bruce · Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:41 am Post subject:

sunroof · Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:12 am Post subject:

Hmmm, interesting. I wonder if there was something wrong with the heater in my '65. It burned as much fuel as the motor. No matter what the specs say, this was my experience.

Don

baja274 · Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject:

AidenM · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:19 pm Post subject:

Two big boxes arrived Wednesday via Fed Ex: one with the fuel tank, one with the heater, etc. I was buried in a couple other projects (kmh speedo rebuild, semaphore/peanut blinker relay wiring) so I only got to poking around the heater today.

I've run into one thing (the first of many, I'm sure) that I hope you heater gurus can help me out with. I removed the pump from the 8542 in order to take a look at the diaphragm, check the points, etc. Diaphragm looks fine, sanded the points for a good contact. Put 6V to the terminals and got only a single click. Curious, I loosened the four screws that hold the diaphragm cover to the body and the pump clicked merrily away. Tightening the screws back down binds the piston.

Here's a pic of the gap sans screws:

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Now here's the gist of my question: there was no gasket between the diaphragm cover and the body of the pump. It appears also that when set into the body there is a gap that would ostensibly be taken up by a gasket. Tightening the screws closes the gap and prevents the piston from working. Did these originally have a gasket here? It would certainly make sense as to keep fuel from rushing out the side of the body... Should I just make a gasket of material ( fuel resistant, of course) of a thickness a little bigger than the gap?

Thanks in advance!

AidenM · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:22 pm Post subject:

Also, guteandtite:

Here's a pic of the sheet metal templates from the donor bug. Fresh from the slaughterhouse!

Pmail me to work out getting these to you.

Bruce · Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:11 am Post subject:

GüteAndTite · Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:17 am Post subject:

vwmike333 · Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:04 pm Post subject:

[/quote]as far as restoring it, Lowes sells the hammered tone paint and steph on the judson registry whom makes the fram fp3 filter. okrasa cooler lines can remake the fuel lines exactly as original- zinc coated braided double layer lines with blue striping, he re-zincs the fittings and installs them with new compression fittings. that is the one point on the heaters that should ALWAYS be replaced if not serviceable.[/quote]

I have been gearing up to produce these fuel lines using German zinc-coated steel braided striped hose and silver cad German crimp sleeves and silver cad tube hose ends. I'm currently working on producing Okrasa-style Fram bypass oil filter lines and fittings. Stay tuned!

GüteAndTite · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:44 am Post subject:

I just ordered a roll of this spot on correct hose. Its german braided nitrile hose wrapped in galvanized steel braided wire with the blue leader striping. I ordered all the correct fittings and a compression tool. Im able to make complete reproductions of the original eberspacher fuel lines including the fuel tank piece.

is anyone interested in these? im gonna make some for my heater and an extra set for later down the road god forbid I should ever need them. If theres interest, Ill reproduce them.

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Eric&Barb · Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:02 pm Post subject:

Just catching up on old Emails.
Could use some of those new fuel lines if you are going to make them.
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