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ChapinBusDude
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 Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:33 am Post subject: Swish, Swish -- New 1800 cc Engine |
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| Been a long time since I got enough bread to build a brand new engine with all new parts. Just finished assembling the case out to the heads. Stock stroke, 91 mm pistons and cylinders (brand new, beautiful cross-hatch on cylinders, very clean pistons). I used lubriplate on the cylinder walls (old guy, does anyone ever use that stuff anymore?). When I hand turn the engine I hear a light swish, swish as the pistons move in and out. I never heard this with broken-in pistons. Am I hearing the cross-hatch being lightly rubbed? |
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Wildthings
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| With motor oil on the cylinder wall you can hear noise as you move new pistons up and down in the cylinders. |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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you may have a bitch of a time seating in your rings. very, very light oil on them. some folks use none at all.
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sodbuster
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For those of you that do not know lubriplate is essentially white grease. In all my years working on VW's and GSE equipment (roughly 36 years.) I've never seen lubriplate (or any kind of grease.) used in that application.
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williamM
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x2- its for wheel bearings- Rings and cylinders are being honed way different than when I first did an engine. The cross hatch is real fine and the tops of the cross ridges are knocked off and scrubbed religiously and ever thing (except lifters) is pre lubed with the oil the car will be running.- don't yell I know you all have your magic mixtures.
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busdaddy
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Lubriplate used to make many different products, some were thick like the familiar white grease and others were clear runny oils, either way I'm not sure I'd want to count on any of thier products for breaking in rings, a good smear of engine oil is all I ever use.
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Desertbusman
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I use Lubriplate #105 assembly lube for everything except cam lobe/lifters and cylinder bores. It's excellent stuff and it's not a wheel bearing grease 
Light oil on the cylinder walls is what you would have wanted to use. And your swish swish noise is to be expected because the rings arn't seated yet.
It's hard to tell how your ring break-in will work out. Normally, doing it right the rings are pretty much seated in a 100 miles or so. There is a good proceedure for the break in. Get Tom Wilsons book and review your assembly details and follow his first run-in proceedure and his ring break-in proceedure. THe start-up method is most critical for a good engine.
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Wildthings
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| I think Lubriplate had its heyday in the 40's and 50's. You see it mentioned in a lot of publications from that era. It probably has its uses today, but outside of things like door strikes and latches, I have never used much of it. |
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Desertbusman
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| williamM wrote: |
| x2- its for wheel bearings- |
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| I think Lubriplate had its heyday in the 40's and 50's. You see it mentioned in a lot of publications from that era. It probably has its uses today, but outside of things like door strikes and latches, I have never used much of it. |
Forget the past. It's a fantastic engine assembly lube today. You gotta' get updated and beyond the old school wheel bearing and latch grease mentality.
I like oil usage also. But unless you run it soon after building the lube is lost. That's a great way to waste an engine build. You can, but no thanks, I won't 
So I use Lubriplate #105 for everything except barrel bores. Those get oil and then a shot of more oil if the engine has set without starting for a long while.
Lubriplate #105 has fantastic lubrication quality and is the perfect consistancy. It's about as runny as it could be while staying in place and not running off.
http://www.lubriplate.com/Products/Automotive-Lubr...rease.aspx
P.S., I probably bought the good old Lubriplate grease for latches back when the store manager himself was either Manny, Moe, or Jack in the 50's.
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ChapinBusDude
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You guys are all Grrreat!!! Everyone has their magic developed over the last thousand or so years that we've been doin' this stuff. Old guys and young guys. Me and my Vdubs, my son and his little electronic things. I'm just glad that my daughter knows how to properly torque the nuts on the rod caps  otherwise I would need to get this old body down on the floor more often! I think the consensus is that I need to clean the lubriplate off the cylinder walls and rings and use thin oil instead. That was good advice, thanks!!! Also good to know that the swish, swish is indeed the cross-hatch. Bye for now! |
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What? No Marvel Mystery Oil?
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Havn't used Marvel Mystery Oil since using it in the oiler for my Judson Supercharger in my Austin Healey "bugeye" Sprite in 1962.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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^^^^ how old are you?
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| ^^^^ how old are you? |
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williamM
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separated at birth
How cool was that car- I had the "normal one" but it was the first one down the Bristol Tn speed way/drag strip!- not officially- of course.
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[quote="busdaddy"]Lubriplate used to make many different products, some were thick like the familiar white grease and others were clear runny oils, either way I'm not sure I'd want to count on any of thier products for breaking in rings, a good smear of engine oil is all I ever use.[/quote
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Sorry- kinda like thinking chevy only made trucks. |
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| Havn't used Marvel Mystery Oil since using it in the oiler for my Judson Supercharger in my Austin Healey "bugeye" Sprite in 1962. |
Did it look anything like this?
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Nice one   , Was that yours and what year was it?
Mine was a '60 with a soft top.
Went the full extreme route on the engine to run the 1/4, Iskendarian blower grind, big bore (in a little minature package  ) injection on top of the Judson, spaghetti tubes/collector, etc., etc.
One and only run at Fontana Raceway. They classed it in C Modified Sports and I sat on the line against a Vette with a 6 log sticking up thru the hood. That was a joke, the end of any strip attempt, but lots of street racing instead.
Bugeyes are far and few between but one showed up at our weekly show a few weeks ago.
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I bought it in 69 for 399. ran it for a few years but don't remember where it ended up.
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