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Bobnotch
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I would never spend money on doing up an ACVW engine because the value per HP is extremely poor and reliability is questionable at best. |
What's the longest, most continuous, drive you've ever had in a type 3? How many hours at a time?
Because that reliabilty being poor is pure BS.
I've personally driven over 1200 miles in one 16 hour stint (4 US states), with no problems, and only stops for fuel and food (and I never shut the engine off).  And I never pussyfooted it either, as it was all Interstate travel, with speeds exceeding 75mph too, in 90+ degree heat. You do the numbers.
If you can't do that with a STOCK VW engine, then maybe you should go with some sort of jap motor.
Sorry OP for the hijack, but it's shiite like that blanket statement that Vlad made, just pisses me off.
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Yabbadubbadoo
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Only part of this that makes sense is the engine management. I have megasquirt on a type 3 setup with wasted spark and coil packs - car runs like a absolute dream and nothing like knowing you are feeding it perfect timing and air fuel ratios. |
That's what I meant when I said his statements about EFI were rubbish. You don't need to buy a jap motor to get that technology. And it's certainly not gonna be any more difficult than reverse engineering a motor and ecu you bought from a 'front-cut' import. Aftermarket programmable engine management can be done and they can even look relatively stock. This guy did a brilliant job of it. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7141025&highlight=#7141025
No it's not 250hp. But then again it's not 3000cc either and I'm guessing he doesn't get his jollies from street racing it against the locals.
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| ....to get a 1 and a bit ton car to move a decent modern speed you need at least 200-250hp and blazing fast to keep up with you xr8 falcons and hsv boys, you need 350hp+ |
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Fast6back9
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| Can anyone help me out with this wiring situation. I'm going the megasquirt way just need to figure out what goes to what. The wires are.labeled on the MS but I need the diagram for the engine I'm putting in. Its. Ej20t. And does the mount sold on the subarugears website fit a 69 t3 fastback or just the beetle? I'm new to the swap process but am eeger to learn and get mine done. I k now it's going to take some.time but.still anything would help |
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Jason37
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Vlad01 said: I never bought any car to have a stock engine There is no way I am running a vw engine in mine, stuff that!
I agree 100percent. Now im new to the vw world and havent post much at all on here and even more so.........I dont own a vw YET! But its in the works and it will be a squareback. On the hunt right now. But by no means im I going to keepc this stock
My motto has and will always be that STOCK SUCKS!!. Im also a big fan of subaru even though I dont own one either. ..... yes I know I dont have much of a voice of this.
But everthing I have own has been old and never been stock. I always wanted a vw and had wish I started with one. And now is the time to make it right. And im going all out
Now there are some of us that when it comes to swaps or changing the characteristics of a vehicle we try to stay as close as possible or not. When doing this I try to find one thats has run its course so I dont feel bad in cutting up or changing things that make the car what it is. But people shouldn't hate what we do to theses vehicles cuz we are only improving on them. Yes some argue that theres nothing worng with the engine and they driven plus miles over such and such state and that fine. But for us that prefer fuel injection beacuse its better  (there's another hole argument  ) and the reliability of it, it the only way to go and are willing to spend the money to have a car that we appreciate with modern technology.
I too am planning to do a ez30r swap and its going to be expensive. But to have something that can keep up with my friend's that drive speed3, Porsche, sti's, and thats older and in my opinion looks alot cooler is all worth it. I respect all those who can build a vehicle to stock original appearance and get the most out of a stock carb engine. But your still limited as well. the ez30r engine is a great reliable engine.
Fast6back9 thats going to be one great fast back. But look at mendeola they make the brackets but yes I belive they should fit. I would call them to verify. Also Kevin at mendeola (coolrides) uses the redline ecu's. If you have the magasquirt then I would call to see if he can help you witht the wirring diagrams or hit nasico site or ask your local subaru dealer for wiring diagram print outs if there willing. |
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Willo357
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The type 3 is more like 850kg. . Those big flat 6 engines will give you some ugly rear weight to deal with.
I also bought a ej20t and spent loads of $ until I figured out I was going to ruin a good original car on install. All that water and plumbing, venting, packaging takes a lot of planning and fabricating. Then you have the heat from the radiator pipes like under floor heating.
Only part of this that makes sense is the engine management. I have megasquirt on a type 3 setup with wasted spark and coil packs - car runs like a absolute dream and nothing like knowing you are feeding it perfect timing and air fuel ratios. |
This is the point most people omit however it is crucial to the vehicle as a whole. The type 1 based motor even with an aftermarket alloy case is a very light engine. Even with a modest cam and displacement 86*92 (thick wall of course) you can achieve 150+ whp. with the addition of EFI and ignition you have yourself an extremely reliable, durable and light engine.
Introduction of watercooled engines ads a significant amount of weight with not only the engine its self but all of the associated plumbing.
if you dont increase the weight of the vehicle you dont need to go wild in the suspension arena. play a little with ride height, dampers and maybe add stiffer anti roll bars. The important thing is to keep intact the weight distribution and total weight.
Adding water cooled engines messes with handling of the car and significantly reduces the fun factor.
I know a few people who have put all sorts of watercooled engines in vw's and they all say the same thing.... "Iwish I had of put a Turboed ACVW engines in instead" 
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Willo357
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| vlad01 wrote: |
I would never spend money on doing up an ACVW engine because the value per HP is extremely poor and reliability is questionable at best. |
What's the longest, most continuous, drive you've ever had in a type 3? How many hours at a time?
Because that reliabilty being poor is pure BS.
I've personally driven over 1200 miles in one 16 hour stint (4 US states), with no problems, and only stops for fuel and food (and I never shut the engine off). And I never pussyfooted it either, as it was all Interstate travel, with speeds exceeding 75mph too, in 90+ degree heat. You do the numbers.
If you can't do that with a STOCK VW engine, then maybe you should go with some sort of jap motor.
Sorry OP for the hijack, but it's shiite like that blanket statement that Vlad made, just pisses me off. |
you da boss bob ...!  drive that thing 
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Brent
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| then maybe you should go with some sort of jap motor. |
Japanese, please. It's not 1944 anymore.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| then maybe you should go with some sort of jap motor. |
Japanese, please. It's not 1944 anymore. |
I guess I could have said for him to put a 'merican engine in too. Especially since he's wanting to keep up with the Holdens (GMs) and Fords. 
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