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SixVolt
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject: Are these '57 down or 58-64 rear brakes? Reply with quote

I'm trying to ID what braking system (57 down) or (58-64) is w/ this transaxle.

The number on the trans (as you can see below) is A1302935 which appears to put it at the end of the '57 model year. According to the samba technical info, the first '58 beetle would have had chassis # 167038 and the trans would have been A1324871. That's later than my trans number, but I don't know if they matched chassis # and trans #'s for production date accuracy.

According to the Wolfsburg site, up to chassis # 1673410 use through '57 brakes. The start of the 58-64 brakes begins with Chassis # 1673411. This suggests they used early 57 brakes on the early 58 beetles???? Does that make sense????

So what do these look like to you? Before I order replacement stuff, I better ask.

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Here's the trans number, although I realize even if its a 57 someone could have changed the backing plates and drums.
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I've searched around and found a few informative threads. But they don't tell me what I have.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=443671&highlight=5864+rear+brakes+oval

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3...mp;start=0

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=563306&highlight=ebrake

I know the e-brake sizes are different:
1958-64 measures 1752mm in length
1956-67 measures 1789mm in length


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 bolt wheel cylinder tells me up to '57.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^what he said. 58-up is one bolt cylinders
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Appreciate the info. I have drums & backing plates from a '60. Can I use those with the split case trans if I reverse the backing plates? Or just get the 58-64 e-brake cables? I'm looking at this thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=221849&highlight=rear+brakes
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SixVolt wrote:
I have drums & backing plates from a '60. Can I use those with the split case trans if I reverse the backing plates? Or just get the 58-64 e-brake cables? I'm looking at this thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=221849&highlight=rear+brakes


Yep. I would just get 1958-64 e-brake cables and mate them up to the 1960 brake assemblies
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can measure the brake shoes, up to 58 is 30mm wide, from 58 they are 40mm.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just put some 63 brakes on my split case. Perfect fit with 63 e-brake cables. I used the 56 bearing cover.

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The front brakes fit easy as well and the shoes are larger too. Nice improvement.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great info! Many thanks! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got sidetracked with other projcts but I need to get this done. This is a '57 beetle. I swapped out the later leaking trans for a known good '57 original. Replaced the shocks while I was in there. I'm using the '58-'64 brakes but I have a couple questions.
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There are two diagrams floating around on this site one showing that you use the gasket and one showing no gasket. SInce I'm using the '58-'64 brakes with the '57 tranny should I use the gaskets?
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Here's the seal kit I have.
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I'm not sure how clean the face of these contact points are supposed to be, but do these look clean enough? Do I use Indian Head or Aviation Permatex?
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Appreciate any comments or advice.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SixVolt wrote:
I'm using the '58-'64 brakes but I have a couple questions.

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Appreciate any comments or advice.


That looks like the pre-'58 backing plate!
Don't forget the oil slinger for your 1957 drums!
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