009 dist 180 o out

darg · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:05 pm Post subject: 009 dist 180 o out

I have a 73 type one engine , bought from a previous owner that I could not get started. I read on the forum about someone switching plug wires, so I reversed 1&3 @ 2&4 and it started up . I guess the dist drive gear is out 180.
Question is , will it hurt to run the engine like that ? How is the best way to adjust the valves? It has the 009 dist. The engine came with the bug un installed.

thanks Idea

Glenn · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:27 pm Post subject:

Flip the drive on the bottom of the 009. Then #1 will be where it should.

Valve adjustment is same as always.
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Danwvw · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:40 pm Post subject:

It's a bit harry because of those two distributor gear drive washers and the distributor drive spring in there but I would pull the distributor drive gear and set it correctly. You will need one of these: Puller. If the washers come out with the drive gear good, dry them and grease them to stick to the drive gear with some axle grease and put it in correct. If they don't come out but stay in place, no problem but if they slide out of place down in the engine, use a magnet wand to remove them then clean and install on the drive gear using the axle grease. Be gentle re-installing it. Don't force it down into place and don't turn the engine over by force before it drops into the full seated position. Turning the engine over by hand tends to push the drive gear and the distributor back out of the case when not fully seated. Be Gentle!
(Personally I have never been able to get that pin in my distributor drive out of any of my distributors to switch it on the distributor.) It is fine just to leave it the way you have it too. Not necessary to change the drive gear 180' On the 009, I don't think there is any retard on #3. Any 1971 and later model vw type 1 engines it does not matter if it's backwards at all. It's just confusing to future mechanics that work on it.

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HRVW · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:03 pm Post subject:

For what it's worth you CANNOT put the drive gear spacers on the gear as they would hit the BRASS gear on the crank.

The spacers have to be installed carefully with some grease via a long thin screwdriver and then the drive gear in the position desired.

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Danwvw · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:25 pm Post subject:

That could well be, Seems like I did use a push rod on my last engine to stick in the hole and drop them in.
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darg · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:13 am Post subject: dist out 180

Thank you guys for the help. I think I will leave the dist. as is . At sometime I would like to get the correct dist .

Can some one tell me what the timing should be at idle with the 09 and the pict 34carb.? Very Happy

andk5591 · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:31 am Post subject:

If you set max mechanical at around 28-32 (which is how you are supposed to set it), your idle will be somewhere around 10 degrees give or take a couple degrees. Your concern is max timing, idle is where ever it ends up at.

And I am assuming you are aware of the various workarounds for the 34 PICT/009 flat spots. There are probably 100 threads on that subject.
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HRVW · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:35 am Post subject:

Ho Hum...Flat spot problems blamed on the poor 009 dist when it actually is the Carb that needs the proper adjusting.

Decades ago when doing Engines played around and discovered a solution.

After that never had any complaints of any 009 complaints from customers.

Could say what the solution is but don't like any debates with many that have not worked on engines for a living and a shingle over the doorway.

Stop and look at the dist and carb functions as they work independently.

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Joel · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:33 pm Post subject:

darg · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:22 pm Post subject: 009 dist.

Thanks, On the 10 degrees , is that before or after TDC. I do not know if the carb has been corrected or not. I am still restoring our 70 bug. Hope to get the body back on next month. Question

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ashman40 · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: 009 dist.

Hyperspace · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:05 am Post subject:

The pin comes out if cradeled in a vice (not clamped) and hit with a punch and BFH. Don't try to use the little hammer you use for nailing stuff down.
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Glenn · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:16 am Post subject:

darg · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:32 pm Post subject: 09 dist

On the 10 deg.what I was asking was that at 10deg was that BTDC or ATDC.
Thanks for the reply also. Evil or Very Mad

HRVW · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:44 pm Post subject:

If you were to look at a clock 12:00 would be TDC

Engine turns to the right so 1-2 o'clock etc would be BTDC

10-11 o'clock would be ATDC

If you wanted the timing mark (cyl firing) at 7.5 degrees it would be to the right of TDC or BTDC

If you wanted the timing mark (cyl firing) at 5 degrees it would be to the left of TDC or ATDC

The 7.5 degree is basically for the Single Vac dist
The 5 degree is basically for the Dual Vac sdist

68IHscout · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:19 pm Post subject:

darg · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:58 pm Post subject: 09 dist

Thanks for the replays. On one of the post some one said to flip the drive . -by knocking the pin out. I will try that when I get a chance. Very Happy


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