Montehms 67 Prairie Square

supersuk · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:36 pm Post subject:

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Clatter · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:02 pm Post subject:

'Bout time! Very Happy

Was wondering what happened to you.
You were the master at blasting through it for a while there!

But, yeah, sometimes you need to be a husband and father too, I guess...
Rolling Eyes

Know that I have been pushing it a little too hard, and doing some damage to my world with this car obsession lately.
Keep wondering if I will later regret missing out on a whole summer of not really doing anything much with my kids this year...

Post up some mock-up pics!
Let's see what the whole project is looking like.
What's the rear seat area looking like these days?
The people wanna know!
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Bobnotch · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:38 am Post subject:

MonT3 · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:07 am Post subject:

Clatter, Yeah, thought I was making some good headway too. Had some fam time and work to deal with along with taking a break to reflect on where I am with it. this piece is important as I don't want to jack this part up otherwise I may be having sealing problems with the doors I don't care to have. I've also been searching for good donor metal for the A pillars. Got what I needed so once back on break I can make some more headway.

Bobnotch, thanks for that info on the tape. I'll seek it out. I have some fabricating and welding to do on the fenders when their turn arises. I have the rear skin holes drilled and need to get the nut affixed. The front need to be measure. I have a 69 fender that may have that extension piece and I may be able to use it as a template - Will see. Is the screw that mounts that lower fender the same as the other screws. I'm asking as my fenders don't have this piece. You mentioned 6mm. Is the thread an aggressive metal screw thread? do you have an example of the type of hardware I should be preparing these spots for?
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Clatter · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:15 am Post subject:

Post up a picture of the A-pillar section you need.

I have front clip here that's pretty good, mostly....
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Bobnotch · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:53 am Post subject:

supersuk · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:52 am Post subject:

eyetzr · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:20 am Post subject:

I have the M6 bolts on my 69 square. I also had a small rubber washer between the body & the fender, one side only

MonT3 · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:44 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the info guys, I'll search out acceptable screws for this area - The mystical M6x1 / washer. We have a couple of hardware places here in town and was going to pass by there and look into rubber washers for the body bolts -cool.

Clatter, as for the A pillar area, I have a front cowl/dash/frunk portion and A pillar section I've been slowly dissecting. I've managed to remove the dash piece from the cowl already and have been working on the pillars. I also have a second, stand-by set or A pillars I found on a crushed-roof 66. I was able to get a replacement spot of the cowl for my rotted area in my lower window corner. I'll post some pics my next break so you'll see where I'm at and where I'm going.
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MonT3 · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:20 pm Post subject:

Got my doors, front and rear fenders from storage to test fit the lower rockers to ID the fender mount points on the outer skins. Was also looking to close that opening on the front piece of the outer skin just under the door hinge mount. I made pie cuts and bent the piece inward. have some more test fitting to do to get that magical 1/4in gap to the lower door then mark everything up for drilling, welding and final fit. Felt good to see the fenders back on and felt really motivated to move forward.

Some work in the lower fender is needed here, I'll get some attention when it comes back from blasting

Rear fender mount points. There are some bilts welded in the inner skin to accommodate an M6x1 hex bolts recommended to be used

The final test fit will fenders before tacking the skin on

I used the small remnant of the mount point place and marked the skin for drilling

Welded-in bolts on the inner skin.

These HF clamps were on sale for $2.99 so I picked a couple up. They really helped in securing the skin so I could tack then weld in the skin.

I'll post a few before and afters tomorrow as I have some grinding to do. The skins are on!!! Grind, clean and coordinate moving thing to the blaster!
Still left to do:
- A pillar inner skin replacement on both sides
- patch hole in the lower front windshield corner
- Some grinding
- Remove the internal door pieces as well as the handle, lock, .etc
- Internally debate replacing the roof skin for a sunroof one - Don't really need to do this but it's still scratching at the back of my head
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Bobnotch · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:08 pm Post subject:

It's looking good Monte. Cool

All that test fitting is paying off. The gaps look consistant, and equal all around the door. Very Happy

Your body lines lined up good as well. I think you're almost there. Cool

Great job.
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supersuk · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject:

That is looking very nice! It would be awesome if you made repros of those sections. I'm sure a lot of people need it.
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MonT3 · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:59 pm Post subject:

Building these rockers from scratch was a huge painful, stressful experience. I took a cross sections of each piece and had them reproduced. Was extremely close. But the aftermarket outer skin was just weird with their dimensions and it just threw things off. Maybe it was meant to be cut and pieced as needed and not used as whole piece because it just didn't mate up. But then again, being my first build, It was probably me.

If I were to do it again (which I may with my 63) I'll build the whole thing off the car then weld it on as a whole. I learned alot over it and it was challenging. Repros to offer, I don't know.

Today's event was to finish and grind up the welds on the rockers. I was able get my spot welds closed up and ground down as well as cut off the excess lip that hung down to accommodate for the outer skins size. Tomorrow I'll touch up some areas with the welder, do some mild grinding and revisit dissecting the A pillars on my donor piece. Here's some before and afters. smoothing these out will be deal with after blasting but I may leave them be and seam seal.

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Bobnotch · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:48 am Post subject:

Monte, I'd probably leave most of what you've ground alone, and mainly just concentrate on the areas that WILL be seen with the doors open. I only say that, as the extra weld left will give support to the areas you've fixed (and you don't grind away good metal).There's really no sense in getting carried away cleaning up areas that aren't seen, unless you're wanting everything perfect like Clatter is doing. Wink

Just cleaning up the areas you'll see once it's all put together will be enough work alone. Also keep in mind that you have a threshold plate covering part of the door opening (top seam), so it doesn't need as much clean up as you'd think. Shocked

You might have to trim the top of it though, so the threshold plate sits right. Wink

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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

Clatter · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:32 pm Post subject:

FWIW, I wouldn't have Sunroof Envy, Monte.

Since I got my car, I have been a lot less sunroof-stoked.
It's easy to become sunroof-centric.

But,

All said and done, they really are kind of dumb.
Whenever I have mine open, I can't wait to close it and get some shade.
The sun screaming down right on your dome is kind of lame.
Yeah, you can wear a hat, I guess...

They are cool for bragging rights,
And look cool opened up and all,
Especially if your car is lowered,
But,
Cluttery looks,
Leaks,
Plugged drains and rusted floors,
Wind noise,
No fun to actually use.

I wouldn't stress on it.
Definitely not worth retrofitting.

Deluxe bus or 3-fold Oval or something, maybe....
But not our little hard roof thing.

IMHO, of course.
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Bobnotch · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:07 pm Post subject:

MonT3 · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:53 pm Post subject:

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MonT3 · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:18 am Post subject:

Clatter · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:29 am Post subject:

I have been putting off blasting because it's no fun.

Another good excuse to put off blasting, is to get everything as right as you can first.
That way, your heat from welding/grinding/sanding won't foul your fresh epoxy sealer, compromising it's integrity.
Plus there's greasy hands, oil spray from air tools, etc.

A lot of people will get things sealed up first, the go from there.
I was always told to keep hands off until the paint dries.
(at least as much as is practical)

So that's my excuse for not blasting.

Having things sealed up and all the same color is certainly a motivator to do it.
Almost...

Oh, and get the pros to do it.
This is one of those areas where flailing away as a struggling homeowner is futile.
If I was at McDonalds making minimum wage I could have paid a blaster to do mine in the time it took me to make the money vs. doing it on my own.
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