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YellowSquare Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Are the warning lights ba7?? and the regular lights ba9?? And do yu ned the bulb holder for the regular lights as well?? |
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YellowSquare Samba Member
Joined: March 29, 2013 Posts: 84 Location: Fremont, CA
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'69Custom Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2008 Posts: 2497 Location: Ventura, California
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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The bulb type depends on the year of your car, if I'm not mistaken. Late models use Ba7s bulbs throughout. I don't know when the changeover year was but I think the early models were Ba9s all the way around.
What you're interpreting as directional problems isn't literal. The warning and T/S lights are reversed polarity, meaning the power is directionally sensitive. With incadescents, it doesn't matter, but LEDs have to have the power flow specifically, and it's directionally opposite of the way the speedometer is set up for those three lights. Buying LEDs for those means either some rewiring or buying reverse polarity LEDs.
You can get everything you need from Sven:
http://auto-hub.com/ _________________ -Tim
1969 Frankenbug
1965 Ford Mustang
:2gunfire: F-U-M-P!
~"I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken." ~The Boss
Please excuse any typos as my iPhone doesn't speak English very well.
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Why tune a big round again and again????? For me.... 1 hour will solve the case |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34002 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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The "directional" issue he mentioned is the direction of the emitted light, not the "polarity" problem you are talking about. |
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'69Custom Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2008 Posts: 2497 Location: Ventura, California
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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KTPhil wrote: |
The "directional" issue he mentioned is the direction of the emitted light, not the "polarity" problem you are talking about. |
I dot understand what directional problem there could be, otherwise. _________________ -Tim
1969 Frankenbug
1965 Ford Mustang
:2gunfire: F-U-M-P!
~"I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken." ~The Boss
Please excuse any typos as my iPhone doesn't speak English very well.
tham64 wrote: |
Why tune a big round again and again????? For me.... 1 hour will solve the case |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34002 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Stock filament bulbs throw light in all directions (well, a hemispherical pattern). An LED typically shines in a very narrow beam. So gauges designed for the stock bulb may not distribute light evenly if it comes from an LED bulb, and can actually appear DIMMER, not brighter.
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'69Custom Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2008 Posts: 2497 Location: Ventura, California
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Stick filament bulbs throw light in all directions (well, a hemispherical pattern). An LED typically shines in a very narrow beam. So gauges designed for the stock bulb may not distribute light evenly if it comes form an LED bilb, and can actually appear DIMMER, not brighter. |
Ok, didn't get that's what he was referring to. You are correct. A single SMD LED may distribute a 120° pattern, I've never seen anything more than that. It does make the speedometer appear dimmer and with uneven light. Something I intend to rectify on my next outting. _________________ -Tim
1969 Frankenbug
1965 Ford Mustang
:2gunfire: F-U-M-P!
~"I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken." ~The Boss
Please excuse any typos as my iPhone doesn't speak English very well.
tham64 wrote: |
Why tune a big round again and again????? For me.... 1 hour will solve the case |
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YellowSquare Samba Member
Joined: March 29, 2013 Posts: 84 Location: Fremont, CA
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. That is what I meant. This bulb http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/ba9s-ba7s/ba9s-led-bulb-6-led-360-degree/8/ Has multiple leds, and they face in everydirection. but it is a ba9 and im on a 73, so wont work for me. I checked out autohub. But I was hoping to do this for a few bucks not 66 lol. I also contacts superbright and they said it was plug and pla. I said they were Reverse polarity and they said its ok they will work. Didnt make sense to me. But Im probs going to order the ones of autohub. |
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'69Custom Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2008 Posts: 2497 Location: Ventura, California
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Spuds like they want to make a sale. It takes a lot of extra wiring and new two-terminal bulb holders to get a standard LED to work as a warning light. I would've been concerned if they would even fit, width-wise, where they need to slide into. They also aren't really 360° lights because there isn't anything projecting forward. Still, they aren't the right base for you do it doesn't matter anyway. _________________ -Tim
1969 Frankenbug
1965 Ford Mustang
:2gunfire: F-U-M-P!
~"I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken." ~The Boss
Please excuse any typos as my iPhone doesn't speak English very well.
tham64 wrote: |
Why tune a big round again and again????? For me.... 1 hour will solve the case |
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Goshen Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2012 Posts: 833 Location: Miami. FL & Cartagena
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'69Custom Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2008 Posts: 2497 Location: Ventura, California
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Older speedometers with single bulb illumination suffer this problem the worst after an LED conversion. The technology still isn't awesome enough to be a perfect replacement. There isn't much you can do about it unless you want to paint the inside of your housing to be more reflective or convert your high beam indicator to a night light. _________________ -Tim
1969 Frankenbug
1965 Ford Mustang
:2gunfire: F-U-M-P!
~"I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken." ~The Boss
Please excuse any typos as my iPhone doesn't speak English very well.
tham64 wrote: |
Why tune a big round again and again????? For me.... 1 hour will solve the case |
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Goshen Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2012 Posts: 833 Location: Miami. FL & Cartagena
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:44 am Post subject: |
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'69Custom wrote: |
Older speedometers with single bulb illumination suffer this problem the worst after an LED conversion. The technology still isn't awesome enough to be a perfect replacement. There isn't much you can do about it unless you want to paint the inside of your housing to be more reflective or convert your high beam indicator to a night light. |
I am going to see if i can drill up some holes in a speedo and use some 192 wedge sockets to get a better result then i will post my findings... because the current set up with the LED sucks mongo schlong _________________ My '64 Pan Meyers Manx Dune Buggy "Lady in Red"
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=659260
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=634144
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BWD Samba Mailman
Joined: August 23, 2002 Posts: 2154 Location: In bed.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:18 am Post subject: |
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I received the following set of BA7 LED bulbs from the website Auto-Hub.com but i have to tell you quite honestly that i am very DISSAPOINTED with the results of the white LED Speedometer illunination bulb... You can see here by the pic... it is not as bright as i thought it would be from the description
Look so you can see compared to the VDO gauges
What can be done about this ?... because i am not at all pleased with the result.
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Is this the "warm" white light or the "cool" white? _________________ BWD
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Goshen Samba Member
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BWD Samba Mailman
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:53 am Post subject: |
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BWD wrote: |
Is this the "warm" white light or the "cool" white? |
It is supposed to be cool white but it doesnt look like that.. i tested the light before installing and it looked white to me. |
That's why I asked, it looks warm, I was thinking the cool might look better next to your VDO's, they look like cool white, to me! _________________ BWD
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Joel Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:31 am Post subject: |
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The Jewish Guy wrote: |
'69Custom wrote: |
Older speedometers with single bulb illumination suffer this problem the worst after an LED conversion. The technology still isn't awesome enough to be a perfect replacement. There isn't much you can do about it unless you want to paint the inside of your housing to be more reflective or convert your high beam indicator to a night light. |
I am going to see if i can drill up some holes in a speedo and use some 192 wedge sockets to get a better result then i will post my findings... because the current set up with the LED sucks mongo schlong |
You'll probbaly need about 10 of them in there to get any worthwhile results.
that's why I went the LED strip method
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arizonabuckeye Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2013 Posts: 544 Location: SLC
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Joel wrote: |
The Jewish Guy wrote: |
'69Custom wrote: |
Older speedometers with single bulb illumination suffer this problem the worst after an LED conversion. The technology still isn't awesome enough to be a perfect replacement. There isn't much you can do about it unless you want to paint the inside of your housing to be more reflective or convert your high beam indicator to a night light. |
I am going to see if i can drill up some holes in a speedo and use some 192 wedge sockets to get a better result then i will post my findings... because the current set up with the LED sucks mongo schlong |
You'll probbaly need about 10 of them in there to get any worthwhile results.
that's why I went the LED strip method
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Any pics of the front with the lights in action? |
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'69Custom Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2008 Posts: 2497 Location: Ventura, California
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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If you go Joel's route, note how deep he sunk the strip into the housing. There's a trade off here. Going deep you lose some face/surface illumination. Going high you end up with the LED light pattern visible on the face and, in the case of early speedometers, light reflections on the chrome center ring lip. _________________ -Tim
1969 Frankenbug
1965 Ford Mustang
:2gunfire: F-U-M-P!
~"I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken." ~The Boss
Please excuse any typos as my iPhone doesn't speak English very well.
tham64 wrote: |
Why tune a big round again and again????? For me.... 1 hour will solve the case |
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arizonabuckeye Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2013 Posts: 544 Location: SLC
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Bump - hoping for a picture of the front from Joel... |
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Joel Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:34 am Post subject: |
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arizonabuckeye wrote: |
Bump - hoping for a picture of the front from Joel... |
Sorry I havent been checking in here much.
Tim is on the money with the strip placement in front of the face versus behind it.
Behind is actually better in an earlier speedo, mine being a late Super speedo has the hood which covers it up a bit if placed in front.
My problem is I have the wrong face in there at the moment which is too small hence the light bleeding in from the sides.
I'll try and get a better shot at night soon
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Just found this shot in my photobucket from when I installed it.
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