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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the warning lights ba7?? and the regular lights ba9?? And do yu ned the bulb holder for the regular lights as well??
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And whatabouthis one to hanbdle the directional problem. Seems to illuminate in every direction.
http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/ba9s-ba7s/ba9s-led-bulb-6-led-360-degree/8/
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bulb type depends on the year of your car, if I'm not mistaken. Late models use Ba7s bulbs throughout. I don't know when the changeover year was but I think the early models were Ba9s all the way around.

What you're interpreting as directional problems isn't literal. The warning and T/S lights are reversed polarity, meaning the power is directionally sensitive. With incadescents, it doesn't matter, but LEDs have to have the power flow specifically, and it's directionally opposite of the way the speedometer is set up for those three lights. Buying LEDs for those means either some rewiring or buying reverse polarity LEDs.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "directional" issue he mentioned is the direction of the emitted light, not the "polarity" problem you are talking about.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The "directional" issue he mentioned is the direction of the emitted light, not the "polarity" problem you are talking about.
I dot understand what directional problem there could be, otherwise.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stock filament bulbs throw light in all directions (well, a hemispherical pattern). An LED typically shines in a very narrow beam. So gauges designed for the stock bulb may not distribute light evenly if it comes from an LED bulb, and can actually appear DIMMER, not brighter.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stick filament bulbs throw light in all directions (well, a hemispherical pattern). An LED typically shines in a very narrow beam. So gauges designed for the stock bulb may not distribute light evenly if it comes form an LED bilb, and can actually appear DIMMER, not brighter.
Ok, didn't get that's what he was referring to. You are correct. A single SMD LED may distribute a 120° pattern, I've never seen anything more than that. It does make the speedometer appear dimmer and with uneven light. Something I intend to rectify on my next outting.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. That is what I meant. This bulb http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/ba9s-ba7s/ba9s-led-bulb-6-led-360-degree/8/ Has multiple leds, and they face in everydirection. but it is a ba9 and im on a 73, so wont work for me. I checked out autohub. But I was hoping to do this for a few bucks not 66 lol. I also contacts superbright and they said it was plug and pla. I said they were Reverse polarity and they said its ok they will work. Didnt make sense to me. But Im probs going to order the ones of autohub.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spuds like they want to make a sale. It takes a lot of extra wiring and new two-terminal bulb holders to get a standard LED to work as a warning light. I would've been concerned if they would even fit, width-wise, where they need to slide into. They also aren't really 360° lights because there isn't anything projecting forward. Still, they aren't the right base for you do it doesn't matter anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I received the following set of BA7 LED bulbs from the website Auto-Hub.com but i have to tell you quite honestly that i am very DISSAPOINTED with the results of the white LED Speedometer illunination bulb... You can see here by the pic... it is not as bright as i thought it would be from the description

Look so you can see compared to the VDO gauges

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What can be done about this ?... because i am not at all pleased with the result.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Older speedometers with single bulb illumination suffer this problem the worst after an LED conversion. The technology still isn't awesome enough to be a perfect replacement. There isn't much you can do about it unless you want to paint the inside of your housing to be more reflective or convert your high beam indicator to a night light.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'69Custom wrote:
Older speedometers with single bulb illumination suffer this problem the worst after an LED conversion. The technology still isn't awesome enough to be a perfect replacement. There isn't much you can do about it unless you want to paint the inside of your housing to be more reflective or convert your high beam indicator to a night light.


I am going to see if i can drill up some holes in a speedo and use some 192 wedge sockets to get a better result then i will post my findings... because the current set up with the LED sucks mongo schlong
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Jewish Guy wrote:
I received the following set of BA7 LED bulbs from the website Auto-Hub.com but i have to tell you quite honestly that i am very DISSAPOINTED with the results of the white LED Speedometer illunination bulb... You can see here by the pic... it is not as bright as i thought it would be from the description

Look so you can see compared to the VDO gauges

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What can be done about this ?... because i am not at all pleased with the result.

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Is this the "warm" white light or the "cool" white?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this the "warm" white light or the "cool" white?


It is supposed to be cool white but it doesnt look like that.. i tested the light before installing and it looked white to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this the "warm" white light or the "cool" white?


It is supposed to be cool white but it doesnt look like that.. i tested the light before installing and it looked white to me.


That's why I asked, it looks warm, I was thinking the cool might look better next to your VDO's, they look like cool white, to me!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Jewish Guy wrote:
'69Custom wrote:
Older speedometers with single bulb illumination suffer this problem the worst after an LED conversion. The technology still isn't awesome enough to be a perfect replacement. There isn't much you can do about it unless you want to paint the inside of your housing to be more reflective or convert your high beam indicator to a night light.


I am going to see if i can drill up some holes in a speedo and use some 192 wedge sockets to get a better result then i will post my findings... because the current set up with the LED sucks mongo schlong


You'll probbaly need about 10 of them in there to get any worthwhile results.

that's why I went the LED strip method

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joel wrote:
The Jewish Guy wrote:
'69Custom wrote:
Older speedometers with single bulb illumination suffer this problem the worst after an LED conversion. The technology still isn't awesome enough to be a perfect replacement. There isn't much you can do about it unless you want to paint the inside of your housing to be more reflective or convert your high beam indicator to a night light.


I am going to see if i can drill up some holes in a speedo and use some 192 wedge sockets to get a better result then i will post my findings... because the current set up with the LED sucks mongo schlong


You'll probbaly need about 10 of them in there to get any worthwhile results.

that's why I went the LED strip method

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Any pics of the front with the lights in action?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you go Joel's route, note how deep he sunk the strip into the housing. There's a trade off here. Going deep you lose some face/surface illumination. Going high you end up with the LED light pattern visible on the face and, in the case of early speedometers, light reflections on the chrome center ring lip.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump - hoping for a picture of the front from Joel...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

arizonabuckeye wrote:
Bump - hoping for a picture of the front from Joel...


Sorry I havent been checking in here much.

Tim is on the money with the strip placement in front of the face versus behind it.

Behind is actually better in an earlier speedo, mine being a late Super speedo has the hood which covers it up a bit if placed in front.
My problem is I have the wrong face in there at the moment which is too small hence the light bleeding in from the sides.

I'll try and get a better shot at night soon

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Edit

Just found this shot in my photobucket from when I installed it.

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