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vlad01 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Ain't it great dealing with type 3 people,
Who are both cheap, and super picky, at the same time?
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I noticed this the first month I was here. I though what the *** did I get myself into
I have been into building car for a LONG time, but I got in the VW scene too late when having all original is more important then being custom. I am trying to correct things without making too many waves.
So everybody knows, the more time I spend on this panel with R&D and tooling, the cost will go up, which I don't want to happen. But im going to see if we can make changes without a whole new heat die, that would take more time and add more cost as well as put eyes on this project to watch if it flops or not.
Not to mention we are the only ones taking the time to develop this (right now) |
Sorry, but I'm going to say it and be a dick: custom sucks and it's a really hard sell next to stock original when it's time to cash out.
The ONLY reason you saw so much "custom" on Type 3s was because OE wasn't available. No other reason. Now, finally, we're starting to make inroads. Not that I have anything against keeping something original, but for ME, and only ME, (my opinion does not reflect the opinion of TMI or its employees ) is original is boring. I don't see the point of redoing what has already been done, but again, that's just me. I go to A LOT of cars shows, not only VW, but hot rod, muscle cars etc. If I see a car that look bone stock, with original decals marking etc, I lose interest. Im not looking to make money on any of my builds so resale is not something I think about. If your looking to make money, put the cocoa mats and correct ash tray and radio and get paid. On the other hand, I do not make permanent modifications.
You've got my business for sure if you keep up with this.
Now, just for fun... could I suggest a "trade in" program for those of us who have gritted our teeth and installed the incorrect panels just recently? Of course the panels "traded in" would have to be in mint condition. You could resell them to people "on a budget" who don't care. Although a great idea, this probably wont ever happen. Sell them to the kid that doesn't have a lot of money and needs something better then the duct tape panel he has now.
Also- I'd suggest die- cutting the moisture barriers that go behind these panels and manufacturing the two plastic matching screw cover per door that always break or fly off when you remove them. Something I might look into
Also- since it looks like ISP isn't going to make the Squareback rubber cargo mats anymore, having these and the option to even get 'em in correct color variants for an extra charge would be fantastic. Also- the rear seat back plastic handles that always break. I have looked into rubber mats, but there was something with the pricing that we didn't agree upon. But if nobody else is doing it, then hmmmm.
Dashes? Did someone say dashes? |
I have checked into this because I saw another reproduction dash it was like a big rubbery dogs chew toy. I started doing research and found out the cost would be astronomical to get it produced and the company that stamps out a inner stricter for another pad we are doing would only do a initial run of 500 pcs. I don't think I would be around to see them all sell. And then the grain would have to be right as well as the perforated grill. I would love to dive into that one, but I don't think any production discrepancies would be forgiven. |
On the dash- Yeah, and the fact that there are three different versions doesn't help either! But what about a plastic cap that looks correct- correct grain and perforations? I'm the OG "stock Nazi (or so they tell me) but I use Accu Form dash caps on the classic Mercedes end of my business all the time and you have to look really closely to even tell!
Herman (retrovan) in South Africa is doing this and they're a really great quality piece, but the grain is a little different and there are no speaker holes. They're a great piece for the price but shipping charges from SA on oversize boxes are a real "ouch". |
make that 6 different dashes! _________________ The best of VW engine development!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROWqjuTM0g
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92 VP vacationer, old faithful never die
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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vlad01 wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
TMI Products wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
TMI Products wrote: |
Clatter wrote: |
Ain't it great dealing with type 3 people,
Who are both cheap, and super picky, at the same time?
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I noticed this the first month I was here. I though what the *** did I get myself into
I have been into building car for a LONG time, but I got in the VW scene too late when having all original is more important then being custom. I am trying to correct things without making too many waves.
So everybody knows, the more time I spend on this panel with R&D and tooling, the cost will go up, which I don't want to happen. But im going to see if we can make changes without a whole new heat die, that would take more time and add more cost as well as put eyes on this project to watch if it flops or not.
Not to mention we are the only ones taking the time to develop this (right now) |
Sorry, but I'm going to say it and be a dick: custom sucks and it's a really hard sell next to stock original when it's time to cash out.
The ONLY reason you saw so much "custom" on Type 3s was because OE wasn't available. No other reason. Now, finally, we're starting to make inroads. Not that I have anything against keeping something original, but for ME, and only ME, (my opinion does not reflect the opinion of TMI or its employees ) is original is boring. I don't see the point of redoing what has already been done, but again, that's just me. I go to A LOT of cars shows, not only VW, but hot rod, muscle cars etc. If I see a car that look bone stock, with original decals marking etc, I lose interest. Im not looking to make money on any of my builds so resale is not something I think about. If your looking to make money, put the cocoa mats and correct ash tray and radio and get paid. On the other hand, I do not make permanent modifications.
You've got my business for sure if you keep up with this.
Now, just for fun... could I suggest a "trade in" program for those of us who have gritted our teeth and installed the incorrect panels just recently? Of course the panels "traded in" would have to be in mint condition. You could resell them to people "on a budget" who don't care. Although a great idea, this probably wont ever happen. Sell them to the kid that doesn't have a lot of money and needs something better then the duct tape panel he has now.
Also- I'd suggest die- cutting the moisture barriers that go behind these panels and manufacturing the two plastic matching screw cover per door that always break or fly off when you remove them. Something I might look into
Also- since it looks like ISP isn't going to make the Squareback rubber cargo mats anymore, having these and the option to even get 'em in correct color variants for an extra charge would be fantastic. Also- the rear seat back plastic handles that always break. I have looked into rubber mats, but there was something with the pricing that we didn't agree upon. But if nobody else is doing it, then hmmmm.
Dashes? Did someone say dashes? |
I have checked into this because I saw another reproduction dash it was like a big rubbery dogs chew toy. I started doing research and found out the cost would be astronomical to get it produced and the company that stamps out a inner stricter for another pad we are doing would only do a initial run of 500 pcs. I don't think I would be around to see them all sell. And then the grain would have to be right as well as the perforated grill. I would love to dive into that one, but I don't think any production discrepancies would be forgiven. |
On the dash- Yeah, and the fact that there are three different versions doesn't help either! But what about a plastic cap that looks correct- correct grain and perforations? I'm the OG "stock Nazi (or so they tell me) but I use Accu Form dash caps on the classic Mercedes end of my business all the time and you have to look really closely to even tell!
Herman (retrovan) in South Africa is doing this and they're a really great quality piece, but the grain is a little different and there are no speaker holes. They're a great piece for the price but shipping charges from SA on oversize boxes are a real "ouch". |
make that 6 different dashes! |
How so?
Enlighten me, o anus of the crocodile. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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ataraxia Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Same shit but it's all on the other side of the dash...
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Enlighten me, o anus of the crocodile. |
BTW, you owe me a new keyboard. |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:31 am Post subject: |
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ataraxia wrote: |
Same shit but it's all on the other side of the dash...
Tram wrote: |
Enlighten me, o anus of the crocodile. |
BTW, you owe me a new keyboard. |
1. D'oh.
2. Have your people call my people. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Donnie strickland Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Been out of town and just catching up on this thread -- someone mentioned their 71 had the black ribs. Here's a pic of my 71 left side panel, with the bottom the same color as the rest of the panel:
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TMI Products Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Donnie strickland wrote: |
Been out of town and just catching up on this thread -- someone mentioned their 71 had the black ribs. Here's a pic of my 71 left side panel, with the bottom the same color as the rest of the panel:
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we will be able to do both in single color and 2 tone ribbed lower portion.
But look at the heat seams, these are different then the black ribbed panels.I wonder if its because the armrest????
shoot me now _________________ Mario De Leon
1965 Turbo Mustang Fastback
1966 Type 3 Fastback
VW Division Sales Manager
[email protected]
TMI Products
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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So you would accept a plastic dash cap???? That's something I might look into.
I came across a pic of a RHD dash with 2 guage pod on top molded in. Is that something too custom????
the cost to produce the pad would be the same as a nice restored Notch. We ran from that idea |
Like I said- there are three different ones- (not counting the 1971-3 late model that is what's currently being produced):
1961-65 "wraparound" with solid perforated grille
1966 only and 1964/65 "N"- standard non wrap with solid perforated speaker grille
1967-70 standard non- wrap with divided perforated speaker grille
I'm pretty confident in speaking for the group, I think, when I say that if we could get a plastic cover that looks absolutely correct for the above, the answer would be a resounding "HELL YES". Look, people are paying a grand for NOS dashes (especially wraparounds) out there, and we've seen at least one dash project a year fail due to costs. I've always said that a quality cap is "the ticket" (if it's good enough on a Mercedes...) and Retrovan stepped up- but with the "issues" that bug the hell out of geeks. Even so, they're a hell of a nice fit and exceptional quality- they're just not 100%. Even that said, and with the cost of shipping from SA, he seems to run out and then people revive the thread looking for more. Another guy is working on a die for drilling the speaker holes one by one.
There's a guy in Australia actually producing a 100% bitchin' repro perforated dash (the 1967-70 version, I think)- but he's only doing RHD!
Go look in the 1500 Club thread and read up on what people are paying for the correct repro salt and pepper upholstery for the 1961-3 cars. There are serious OCD geeks out there, and while there aren't a lot of them, there's way more than one or two.
There's a guy in Italy that's been looking for correct dash and upholstery for his 1969 Euro for years now. He's still got a WTB in the classifieds.
It's a tough market, but it could be a lucrative one. |
Agreed. Even a high quality cap would beat that "rubber chew toy" for a dog. And I've got a couple of those installed in cars (because nothing existed at the time except it for replacement).
But, I also agree with Brian, that maybe IF you guys at TMI would do correct looking parts, we wouldn't be forced to use either incorrect parts, or "custom" parts. I know if I could have gotten the right stuff 14 years ago, I'd probably have a more correct interior in my 65 Notch. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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vlad01 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Tram wrote: |
vlad01 wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
TMI Products wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
TMI Products wrote: |
Clatter wrote: |
Ain't it great dealing with type 3 people,
Who are both cheap, and super picky, at the same time?
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I noticed this the first month I was here. I though what the *** did I get myself into
I have been into building car for a LONG time, but I got in the VW scene too late when having all original is more important then being custom. I am trying to correct things without making too many waves.
So everybody knows, the more time I spend on this panel with R&D and tooling, the cost will go up, which I don't want to happen. But im going to see if we can make changes without a whole new heat die, that would take more time and add more cost as well as put eyes on this project to watch if it flops or not.
Not to mention we are the only ones taking the time to develop this (right now) |
Sorry, but I'm going to say it and be a dick: custom sucks and it's a really hard sell next to stock original when it's time to cash out.
The ONLY reason you saw so much "custom" on Type 3s was because OE wasn't available. No other reason. Now, finally, we're starting to make inroads. Not that I have anything against keeping something original, but for ME, and only ME, (my opinion does not reflect the opinion of TMI or its employees ) is original is boring. I don't see the point of redoing what has already been done, but again, that's just me. I go to A LOT of cars shows, not only VW, but hot rod, muscle cars etc. If I see a car that look bone stock, with original decals marking etc, I lose interest. Im not looking to make money on any of my builds so resale is not something I think about. If your looking to make money, put the cocoa mats and correct ash tray and radio and get paid. On the other hand, I do not make permanent modifications.
You've got my business for sure if you keep up with this.
Now, just for fun... could I suggest a "trade in" program for those of us who have gritted our teeth and installed the incorrect panels just recently? Of course the panels "traded in" would have to be in mint condition. You could resell them to people "on a budget" who don't care. Although a great idea, this probably wont ever happen. Sell them to the kid that doesn't have a lot of money and needs something better then the duct tape panel he has now.
Also- I'd suggest die- cutting the moisture barriers that go behind these panels and manufacturing the two plastic matching screw cover per door that always break or fly off when you remove them. Something I might look into
Also- since it looks like ISP isn't going to make the Squareback rubber cargo mats anymore, having these and the option to even get 'em in correct color variants for an extra charge would be fantastic. Also- the rear seat back plastic handles that always break. I have looked into rubber mats, but there was something with the pricing that we didn't agree upon. But if nobody else is doing it, then hmmmm.
Dashes? Did someone say dashes? |
I have checked into this because I saw another reproduction dash it was like a big rubbery dogs chew toy. I started doing research and found out the cost would be astronomical to get it produced and the company that stamps out a inner stricter for another pad we are doing would only do a initial run of 500 pcs. I don't think I would be around to see them all sell. And then the grain would have to be right as well as the perforated grill. I would love to dive into that one, but I don't think any production discrepancies would be forgiven. |
On the dash- Yeah, and the fact that there are three different versions doesn't help either! But what about a plastic cap that looks correct- correct grain and perforations? I'm the OG "stock Nazi (or so they tell me) but I use Accu Form dash caps on the classic Mercedes end of my business all the time and you have to look really closely to even tell!
Herman (retrovan) in South Africa is doing this and they're a really great quality piece, but the grain is a little different and there are no speaker holes. They're a great piece for the price but shipping charges from SA on oversize boxes are a real "ouch". |
make that 6 different dashes! |
How so?
Enlighten me, o anus of the crocodile. |
rhd+ lhd versions of all 3 types obviously. that would make 6 different tooling to make all the dashes that type 3 had. _________________ The best of VW engine development!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROWqjuTM0g
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Donnie strickland Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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TMI Products wrote: |
Donnie strickland wrote: |
Been out of town and just catching up on this thread -- someone mentioned their 71 had the black ribs. Here's a pic of my 71 left side panel, with the bottom the same color as the rest of the panel:
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we will be able to do both in single color and 2 tone ribbed lower portion.
But look at the heat seams, these are different then the black ribbed panels.I wonder if its because the armrest????
shoot me now |
I hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out...here's a little better pic -- there's just a little short heat-seamed line on the other side of the map pocket. I can take a pic with a real camera if need be:
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Clatter Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Any News?
Let's not suffer from Paralysis By Analysis.
If it means that my '67-only two lower-middle ribs are "wrong" then so be it.
TMI can tool up to make more-correct panels for the '68-'73 cars, and that makes our world a better place.
I suffer badly from Anal Retentivity Syndrome, and if i can get over this, anyone can.
Come on, Mario, don't let them tell you there aren't any heroes out there anymore! _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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There are no more heroes. Just people who want to be a hero and get knocked down for trying.
But there are 2 more weeks till SEMA, then everything will calm down and I can push R&D to jump back on this project as well as a few others. _________________ Mario De Leon
1965 Turbo Mustang Fastback
1966 Type 3 Fastback
VW Division Sales Manager
[email protected]
TMI Products
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Clatter Samba Member
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There are no more heroes. Just people who want to be a hero and get knocked down for trying.
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No good deed goes un-punished! _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Well I got into a "discussion" yesterday with one of the owners. I was working on some "correct" rear panels and He asked why ours are wrong. Then we talked about the type 3 door panels and he asked why its not done as well as my other VW projects. I said I don't want to release it if its not correct. Basically he asked R&D why its taking so long. Im happy to say they are working on it now and should be ready in a week or so. _________________ Mario De Leon
1965 Turbo Mustang Fastback
1966 Type 3 Fastback
VW Division Sales Manager
[email protected]
TMI Products
1493 Bentley Dr.
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great news! _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
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Just wanted to take a sec to say thanks for the work you guys do at TMI. I purchased a full interior for my project car (through jbugs) and could not be happier with what I got. Keep up the good work! _________________ '73 Squareback Bodydrop Build
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EatACactus wrote: |
Just wanted to take a sec to say thanks for the work you guys do at TMI. I purchased a full interior for my project car (through jbugs) and could not be happier with what I got. Keep up the good work! |
Lets see some pics! _________________ Mario De Leon
1965 Turbo Mustang Fastback
1966 Type 3 Fastback
VW Division Sales Manager
[email protected]
TMI Products
1493 Bentley Dr.
Corona Ca, 92879
1-800-624-7960
951-272-1584 FAX |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
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'66-'73 have one piece rear panels. Note these '67 door panels have a black section on the bottom.
_________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Fisher wrote: |
'66-'73 have one piece rear panels. Note these '67 door panels have a black section on the bottom.
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so those panels are factory orginals? _________________ Mario De Leon
1965 Turbo Mustang Fastback
1966 Type 3 Fastback
VW Division Sales Manager
[email protected]
TMI Products
1493 Bentley Dr.
Corona Ca, 92879
1-800-624-7960
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
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Yes, they were on a red '67. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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