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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:43 pm    Post subject: Were all '74's L-Jet? Reply with quote

The reason I ask is that I went to take the AFM off my 1974 variant parts car today, to find that it did not exist. It looks like the car has the d-jet set up, rather than L-jet. The air cleaner box (round) for the d-jet was there. The car has not been robbed for parts in any way, until I got it.

So, was this car a d-jet from factory or was it swapped over to d-jet in it's life? It is a manual transmission car. I don't know if Canada got any cars that were very basic and had the older fuel management system in them. I looked for the VIN sticker on the b-pillar, but it is not there at all. Not even painted over. This car shows no signs of being re-sprayed in it's life.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any chance it's a '73 titled as a '74?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the code letter of the engine?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't grab the # on the engine case but all signs point to this car being a '74. It's got the bumper shocks, big alum bumpers and the dash has the '74 emergency brake warning light. I found it odd that the VIN sticker is gone. I don't mean peeled off or painted over, it's just not there. My first thought is that a previous owner swapped from L-jet to D-jet, but I can't think of why they would have done this.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:59 am    Post subject: were all,74 Reply with quote

hi ,,go to read with Google,, injection Bosch d,jet by rentlist,,,,you can see the pn. for many motor block,, btw,,beefore 73,,the 412 has ,,d,,jet and for the 74-75 that was ,,l,jet,, and the type 2 afther 74 has the ,,l,,jet,, same parts for injection,,and you look too for the porsche 914,,pélican porsche tech. ,, same years for same injection with the 412,,btw,,the 1.7 has the Bosch ,,d,, and 1.8 ,,the L,jet
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:04 am    Post subject: were all 74 Reply with quote

your car here look a 74 ,,with her alluminium , bumper,,you can see the date of fabication on the driver side central door post, the question here is the pn. on the motor for to know if the motor is for ,,L,JET ,,OR BOSCH ,,D,,
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next time I'm out I'll write down the engine #. As I said, no VIN sticker on the b pillar. Europe didn't get '74's with d-jet and this was brought over by the owners, would it?

*OR*

I see by the brochure in the tech section that the 2 door coupes with manual transmissions had the 1.7L engine in 1974. Could it be that anything with the manual transmission had the 1.7L d-jet?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I think surely that is the case (that all 1.7's with manual trans. were D jet). As a matter of possible interest, I once tried swapping over a complete D jet system, wiring harness, processor and all into a '74 1.8 variant (station wagon here in the mid west) that I'd also converted over to manual transmission. The transmission swap was a success, the F.I. somewhat less so. It ran fairly well for about a week before it went sour. No one at the time (late 80's), including, obviously, myself could diagnose the problem. I ended up having to install that wretched Weber DFV conversion kit into it which, really, was no solution at all as no one (including, obviously, myself) could tune to run right. At the risk of sounding geographically ignorant, where is Cite Solell?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No b pillar sticker but the car's VIN # is 4642020061 and the engine is EA099597
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code EA is 1700 with 8.2:1 compression.
For 01-08-73 (Start of 74 production year), engine number EA098793 started, and numbers EC, AN, and AT started at 000 001.
(Source, Type4.org). Other sources shows similar.

Chas-01-08-73:
414 2000 000 for sedan, (station wagon would be 416 2000 000).

on 31-12-73:
chas: 414 2023 434
eng: EA 100 360

Conclusion: i think it is possible that the car came from the factory equipped with a 1700 D-jet.

By the way, the 1700 D-jet continued in South African 412LE production, (alongside the cheaper plain 412 1700 twincarb model, until the last handful were assembled here in 1975. The 1800 was never available in this market.

Think the "vin number position on the dash" at the time probably only applied to vehicles exported to the USA/ North American market. Elsewhere it was only under the bonnet/rear seat.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking the same. Canada had access to models and options that the US did not. The US only had automatics in these cars except for the coupes. Up here, manual transmissions were much more common. As this is a manual, my guess is that all manuals were the 1.7 d-jet even through '74. That sucks a bit for me as I wanted this to have the L-jet now that I have another '74.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VW is well noted for using up parts on hand as well. Maybe they just found a few D-jet systems and this was their way of getting rid of them.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The euro AN (85 hp 1800) engine was equpt with dual carbs
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's interesting is that the US and Canada required the door jam VIN sticker, and this one is missing. I'm really wondering if it was ordered and purchased in another country and shipped over.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One last odd thing on this '74 of mine, the battery is under the passenger front seat, not the driver's side...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The British specification, 1974 VW 412LS, with AN-series, VW 1800 Type 4 style air-cooled engine, had a compression ratio of 8.5:1, twin Solex carburettors and 85 DIN horsepower @ 5000 rpm.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Auto or manual transmission? This one's a manual and still FI, just a D-jet.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NASkeet wrote:
The British specification, 1974 VW 412LS, with AN-series, VW 1800 Type 4 style air-cooled engine, had a compression ratio of 8.5:1, twin Solex carburettors and 85 DIN horsepower @ 5000 rpm.


Were those the 34mm or the 40mm PDSIT's?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1800cc 85hp version had 40mm PDSIT.
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