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 Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:56 pm Post subject: Early October zwitter split beetle with crotch coolers? |
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I am curious if anyone ever heard of any very early October 1952 zwitter split beetles with crotch coolers? Was that even possible?
Please respond. Tim
I read this in the Samba forums, "Crotch coolers started mid April 51 and ended at the end September 52". |
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Porsche904
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| definitely not, with over 30years in the VW and Split world I've never seen one (Zwitter CC) |
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vintage fiberglass
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:38 am Post subject: zwitter with crotch coolers |
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| I may have found one but it also could be a fake or modified car. I have seen plenty of them. We will see. There is no code for a crotch cooler is there? |
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Grant Reiling 
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| Porsche904 wrote: |
| definitely not, with over 30years in the VW and Split world I've never seen one (Zwitter CC) |
Especially given that they were a late '51, EARLY '52 feature, which was superseded by the vent-wing windows, they became technically (and functionally) superseded by then. 
Add that to your "Urban Myth" lexicon.
Grant
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RareAir
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Porsche904 wrote: |
| definitely not, with over 30years in the VW and Split world I've never seen one (Zwitter CC) |
Hot VWs featured a Yellow one back in the 90s. Even made the cover. Yes, it was custom made and NOT original.
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Mr. OGPaint
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Grant Reiling wrote: |
| Porsche904 wrote: |
| definitely not, with over 30years in the VW and Split world I've never seen one (Zwitter CC) |
Especially given that they were a late '51, EARLY '52 feature, which was superseded by the vent-wing windows, they became technically (and functionally) superseded by then.
Add that to your "Urban Myth" lexicon.
Grant |
Crotch cooled zwitters Very well could be urban myth. But, I don't think it's fair to describe crotch coolers as "early 52" since they lasted until September.
Somewhat related, I thought another thread presented a very small number of oval dash splits with 16" wheels existed..with evidence. Does anyone remember this thread? |
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tisius
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Zwitter CC (Crotch Cooler), forget about it..... pictures or otherwise it didn't happen! 
If there are pictures, then it would either be a CC split with a newer oval dash grafted in, or a zwitter with CC's grafted in? Either way, forget about it  .
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Zwitter
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:24 pm Post subject: Crotch cooler Zwitter |
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| My Oct 4th, 1952 Zwitter has no body vents. |
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OvalTeenAZ
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My september 52 Sedan NON zwitter does not have crotch coolers….
Its an 11-C deluxe, not a standard model..
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Mr. OGPaint
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My september 52 Sedan NON zwitter does not have crotch coolers….
Its an 11-C deluxe, not a standard model..
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Wow. Does this car have vent windows in the doors? |
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Splitdog
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CC started April 13th, 1951.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:22 pm Post subject: zwitter with crotch collers |
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| Ok guys, it was an updated 1951 old dash crotch cooler split with a zwitter dash welded in and some other mods to make it look newer. Done very well. had newer doors with vent windows, and really threw me off. You were all right! |
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roymartian
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| Could still be nice, with correct dash returned... |
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DONGKG
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| Grant Reiling wrote: |
| Porsche904 wrote: |
| definitely not, with over 30years in the VW and Split world I've never seen one (Zwitter CC) |
Especially given that they were a late '51, EARLY '52 feature, which was superseded by the vent-wing windows, they became technically (and functionally) superseded by then.
Add that to your "Urban Myth" lexicon.
Grant |
this logic holds true. Zwitter has vent winds and therefore the Volkswagen would not have continued the installation of the crotch cooler because the vent wing was there already....
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ento
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Early October zwitter split beetle with crotch coolers? |
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Reviving a dead thread. But what about this one? 🤔
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2653102
CCs with vent wings? Says he's owned for 55 years. I'm very curious about it.
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Martin Southwell
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Early October zwitter split beetle with crotch coolers? |
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| That's a very well ventilated car - Crotch coolers, 1/4 lights, wind down windows, opening rear 1/4 windows, and a sunroof. The only way to beat this is to have one of those opening front windows! |
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Splitdog
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Early October zwitter split beetle with crotch coolers? |
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| Martin Southwell wrote: |
| That's a very well ventilated car - Crotch coolers, 1/4 lights, wind down windows, opening rear 1/4 windows, and a sunroof. The only way to beat this is to have one of those opening front windows! |
Except it’s fake news.
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ento
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Early October zwitter split beetle with crotch coolers? |
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| Splitdog wrote: |
| Martin Southwell wrote: |
| That's a very well ventilated car - Crotch coolers, 1/4 lights, wind down windows, opening rear 1/4 windows, and a sunroof. The only way to beat this is to have one of those opening front windows! |
Except it’s fake news. |
What do you think is grafted? It has to be more than just the CC's right?
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Splitdog
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Early October zwitter split beetle with crotch coolers? |
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I believe VW never made a car like this. Change my mind.
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ento
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Early October zwitter split beetle with crotch coolers? |
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| Splitdog wrote: |
| I believe VW never made a car like this. Change my mind. |
Oh I'm not trying to change your mind. Something about the car seems wrong to me. But I don't know zwitters well enough to put my finger on it. But I know VW used to use what they had on hand sometimes. This seems more than that to me though. Car just has me intrigued is all.
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