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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot for all the info, much appreciated again! Yes, there is more or less an entire car; engine and gearbox are later (51) items, there is no interior, so it is a bit of a puzzle.

Like I said, the chassis does not have a number; but there are papers ( i know the number now) is 1-063xxx. So, this seems to tie in with what Richard writes I think. Unfortunately in front of the tank the car had the spare tire area replaced, so the VIN tag and body number have been lost as well... The clip was done in front of the tank, so the original small tank still mounts there (and is with the car). Besides that the car has a lot of work; basically all the standard areas but also the roof skin needs replacement.

The only question I have still is the style of the glove boxes; in non of the pictures I have found of 1946 cars have I seen these style of glove boxes...?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a photo of a '46. The glove boxes look the same.
You also can see the VW stamp in the center pod above the radio hole in your photo.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the next digit of the chassis number? Looking at the number
1-63XXX seems to be about late Nov- late Dec 1946. I don't know if that
fits with the style of glove boxes shown. Has the whole dash been replaced? The glove boxes in the grey '46 above look like the ones in my Nov 1947. The glove boxes are similar to but not the same as the "older" style ones in the body the post is about.

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r; engine and gearbox are later (51) items, there is no interior, so it is a bit of a puzzle.

Like I said, the chassis does not have a number; but there are papers ( i know the number now) is 1-063xxx. So, this seems to tie in with what Richard writes I think. Unfortunately in front of the tank the car had the spare tire area replaced, so the VIN tag and body number have been lost as well... The clip was done in front of the tank, so the original small tank still mounts there (and is with the car). Besides that the car has a lot of work; basically all the standard areas but also the roof skin needs replacement.

The only question I have still is the style of the glove boxes; in non of the pictures I have found of 1946 cars have I seen these style of glove boxes...?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe h. wrote:
This is a photo of a '46. The glove boxes look the same.


Sorry. They do not look the same at all.
Wheren´t the earlier ones made just from sheet metal instead of pressed parts? So the final shape in detail depended in the "personal style" of the guy who was up to make them that day?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread - great find!

Here are some pictures of my car in the "as found" state - both gloveboxes, dash and window-pressing seem to be just like yours.

(yes - I know the gas tank is wrong and the inner center window bar is missing...)

Chassis number: 1-0554XX
Body number: 69XX
Production date: 27. March 1946

Richard: Could you describe the difference between "5-finger pressing" and "welded 5-finger pressing" ?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very helpfull pictures Splitpersonality! They atleast show the same style dash with the old glove boxes. Maybe also the rear window pressing? Hard to see.

Mike, I don't have the next digit handy here at the moment,although I think it was a zero; I will check (will be able to in a couple of days) I don't think then that that chassis number suits the style of the style of the dashboard. But if I understand Richard correctly the pressing of the rear window is correct for the later chassis number.

Correct me if I am worng, but seems like this:

-Chassis correct for the number in the papers (1-063xxx
-Rear window pressing also ok for this date? (1-063xxx)
-Dash style seems correct for earlier cars, but not later (jan - mar 46?)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

usariemen wrote:
joe h. wrote:
This is a photo of a '46. The glove boxes look the same.


Sorry. They do not look the same at all.
Wheren´t the earlier ones made just from sheet metal instead of pressed parts? So the final shape in detail depended in the "personal style" of the guy who was up to make them that day?


Yeah, they are very different aren't they. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not 100% sure on your conclusions. I have thought that my car is one of the later/last ones with the old style glove boxes. Your chassis-number 1-066XXX is either December 1946 or January 1947 - so based on "old knowledge" it seems this chassis number should have the new style pressed glove boxes.

It would be very interesting to see more pictures of the glove boxes of 46-models.... "qwerty" - are you here?




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Very helpfull pictures Splitpersonality! They atleast show the same style dash with the old glove boxes. Maybe also the rear window pressing? Hard to see.

Mike, I don't have the next digit handy here at the moment,although I think it was a zero; I will check (will be able to in a couple of days) I don't think then that that chassis number suits the style of the style of the dashboard. But if I understand Richard correctly the pressing of the rear window is correct for the later chassis number.

Correct me if I am worng, but seems like this:

-Chassis correct for the number in the papers (1-063xxx
-Rear window pressing also ok for this date? (1-063xxx)
-Dash style seems correct for earlier cars, but not later (jan - mar 46?)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the chassis number of this 46?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One data point, qwerty's September-1946:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean it so much as a conclussion, more as what seemed to be written before. Btw, it is not chassisno. 1-066xxx but 1-063xxx. It seems to be a bit hard to find out some of the chassisnumbers of cars that are still out there; that could form a good comparison?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the car with VIN 1-063289 which is under restoration at present. According to the VW Museum birth certificate it was produced on the 27th November 1946.

Glove boxes are the pressed type with a flat bottom. The centre rib below the rear window has no evidence of welding.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:58 pm    Post subject: Split window center rib details Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I uploaded the three different styles of center split window rib into the gallery since I will never learn how to get images into the forum. Sorry.

First form is KdF style (seen on Christians 45)
Second form is kind of welded, on my August 46
Third form is on my November 46

I hope this helps!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned something new about glove boxes today.

In regards to your '46, remember that the Wolfsburg factory remanufactured 10,000 cars through 1949. Here's the thread:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359470

So large a percentage of these cars were remanufactured that it's difficult to say with any certainty whether something is correct on your car without knowing the body number.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this a Bug Typ 51 or a Kdf 60 , Mr Schewe write that
the glove Boxes are only made 1944-1945 and not 1946.
On follow web site you can see a Typ 60
http://www.vw166.com/kdf/gallery/kdf_typ60_n.htm

I think this is the same dash Pod with the Vw emblem
or is that on the kdf Gallery by the website vw 166 no
typ 60
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old glove boxes were also used in early 1946. Please note that in the early days after the war, Volkswagen used any parts they can get. There is not a gerneral chronology of parts they used - if they have found parts of the war production, they also used theses ones.
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