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CREATURE58
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 Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject: I need advice on a possible 2332 buy... |
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Here's the info, is it a reasonable price?...
NEW" 2332 d/p motor that is not rebuilt, NEW "Car Craft" Aluminum Case and parts.
new forged light flywheel (8)dowel SPG
It has a new 4340 Steel Forged EMPI crankshaft 84mm.
Scat "H" forged rods. Chevy pin
New pistons 94mm. "B"
Schneider High lift camshaft(280F) w/EMPI lifters w/oil hole
Heads are new EMPI's with big SS valves 40 intakes and 35.5 Exhaust
HD Engle valve springs
SS windage push tubes
new Alt
set up with 8.5 - 1 compression
Full flow
New EMPI 44mm single carb.
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CREATURE58
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry price is 3300
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CREATURE58
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I will be porting them once I get the engine and replacing the single carb with duals 48 Webers. What do you mean by "have a huge Deck"?
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HRVW
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 There will be a difference of opinions so I have mine as a comparison.
The 94's need FUEL with bigger valves and Dual carbs.
40x35.5 are just above stock and NOT big by any means where 42x37 or largere would be my choice along with Dual 48IDA carbs.
This setup they built is workable for a weekend driver.
Inside was done okay but they skimped with the heads/ valves and the single carb.
All knowledged racers know that what helps is in the heads with a three angle job....porting and bench flowed.
Ratios would also help with solid rocker arms.
Just my thoughts.
Push tubes and Alt are not power rated. |
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Dauz
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Whatever you buy, just don't let it catch on fire again. 
I thought your IDAs were bored out to 51s? I have a set of 48s for sale if you need them. |
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57 Rag
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I wouldnt buy it for several reasons. Main one is that its wayyyy to cheap for a 2332. I forget the sayin Glenn always posts but its something like..... "You dont always get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get." somthin like that. Another thing its a pure daily driver and not made for much else. "Small" valve heads IMHO, mild cam, single HD springs and single carb, that says it all. Thats just me though, but to be honest if youre posting and asking this, you already know the answer.
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jfats808
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If your dead set on considering a purchase, negotiate to take a head off one side, a pair of cylinders and pistons, and the oil pump. With the head off, you can measure valves and determine port work. Taking off the p/c's allows you to inspect rods and check at least the opposite side lifters for general condition. Taking off the oil pump, reveals cam id. I would also bring a dial indicator and mag base to check end play. You can bring a putty knife, torque wrench, sealant and blue painters tape to mark pr's. If hes got nothing to hide, he'll agree. If it turns out bunk, it can go back together easily.
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| jfats808 wrote: |
| If your dead set on considering a purchase, negotiate to take a head off one side, a pair of cylinders and pistons, and the oil pump. With the head off, you can measure valves and determine port work. Taking off the p/c's allows you to inspect rods and check at least the opposite side lifters for general condition. Taking off the oil pump, reveals cam id. I would also bring a dial indicator and mag base to check end play. You can bring a putty knife, torque wrench, sealant and blue painters tape to mark pr's. If hes got nothing to hide, he'll agree. If it turns out bunk, it can go back together easily. |
If i were to sell my 2275 i would not have a problem tearing mine down to show what it really is either.I have seen many advertised as bigger motors only to turn out to be 1641s.
Of course someone better be serious about buying it and puttin a deposit down first.
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jfats808
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| jfats808 wrote: |
| If your dead set on considering a purchase, negotiate to take a head off one side, a pair of cylinders and pistons, and the oil pump. With the head off, you can measure valves and determine port work. Taking off the p/c's allows you to inspect rods and check at least the opposite side lifters for general condition. Taking off the oil pump, reveals cam id. I would also bring a dial indicator and mag base to check end play. You can bring a putty knife, torque wrench, sealant and blue painters tape to mark pr's. If hes got nothing to hide, he'll agree. If it turns out bunk, it can go back together easily. |
If i were to sell my 2275 i would not have a problem tearing mine down to show what it really is either.I have seen many advertised as bigger motors only to turn out to be 1641s.
Of course someone better be serious about buying it and puttin a deposit down first. |
yup. I have been hired and as a friend on other ventures had to do this. Right from the start you can determine from their reaction whether or not the transaction is bunk. But it also implies that your willing to put it back together for them. Deposit from your side shows willingness to complete the deal. Like your 77, I have too many times seen 1600s advertised as strokers as well. Only with the above steps previously mentioned would I remotely consider buying someone else's engine. Most of the time, I can build something better for cheaper anyways. I can essentially eat my own labor for myself..  Nothing is always as it seems. Just this weekend I denied a Craigslist scammer! Fools.
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Dale M.
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If you did not build it, I would question everything.... If seller not willing to let it be inspected, walk away....
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| I forget the sayin Glenn always posts but its something like..... "You dont always get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get." somthin like that. |
Close enough.
EMPI this and EMPI that... i'd pass on it.
Ask yourself this... why is he selling a new engine?
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MURZI
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3300 for a new turnkey is a strong lil 1776 ...well built and about 110hp. If 3300 is your budget to buy an engine that is what you should aim for. In the end the nice "1776" built by a pro... could smoke the garden variety 2332.
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Your 48s will be a waste on this motor. The small cam and heads won't use any of the potential of IDAs even if you port them, the intakes are too small. Nothing wrong with the EMPI internals I've raced on these parts and they are good for a hot street engine. Who's shop is selling the motor?
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