How does this washer bottle hose work?

Mscdman

I've got this washer bottle supposedly from a beetle. It has a hose with one end that looks like it would attach to a pressure source like a tire.

Here the issue. The other end that goes into the bottle has no hole. So how does the air get into the bottle?

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Brian · Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:50 pm Post subject:

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Mscdman · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:24 am Post subject:

Hi Brian. I get that it hooks up to the tire. What I'm saying is the other end that goes into the bottle...has no hole to pressurize the bottle. Where is the hole??

eyetzr · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:38 am Post subject:

The hole in the "cap" is very small. It also acts like a one way valve so your tire does not go flat. If it has not been tampered with you should be able to put in on a fully inflated tire & have air coming out the "cap" end.

60ragtop · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:41 am Post subject:

Sounds like you would be better off installing an electric pump in it for your sanity Wink

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Mscdman · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:51 am Post subject:

I've got to stop with all this "where is the hole" talk. It's making me look bad Wink

In all seriousness though, I figured it was sort of a one was valve, but take a look at the pics and tell me where this "small hole" is.

I tried hooking up to a tire - didn't hear any leaks but no air came out of the hose/valve thing...

eyetzr · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:59 am Post subject:

the little cap on the end is where the air comes out of mine. (type 3 different?) I guess we could do the 20 questions here, so lets start it this way. Take the hose off the cap, does air flow? Remove the little cap & see if there is any blockages from either inlet or outlet. Remember this was a car that anyone should be able to fix. Wink

Mscdman · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:57 am Post subject:

The little black cap on the latest photo I posted has no holes in it and appears to be totally sealed.

Are you saying that it's actually a cap and can be removed?

I get what you mean about taking the hose off the cap end and see if air flows the other way. I'll try that piece this evening. But until then thoughts?

hitest · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:02 pm Post subject:

I hate to ask something fundamental- but what does that bottle fit? It's not for a '61 to '67. It's also not a '68- (at least) '71- because I have one and it fit's under the spare. Where does that bottle go?

But, on the '68-up forums there's a lot of talk about the pressurized filler cap like the one you show- the outlet is out the side on the Helphos unit, below the tightening ring.

I've tried ramping up the glare on my screen to see the things you have- but your photos were taken at night, in a closet, during an eclipse... Cool

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Mscdman · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:04 pm Post subject:

I don't know what it came from, but it fits on the spare tire and I was plannign to use it for my ghia. I know it is an OEM Helphos tank and tube though...

Wish I could figure out how this works (or doesnt) Sad

hitest · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:07 pm Post subject:

Eureka! Stand by- I'm gonna run out and take a look at the bottle in my Thing...

Rats. It's just a basic 70s bug part- but in mint condition. I fished the one out of my '71 beetle though for careful examination. The unit has a "carb" hole on the top- I imagine to prevent over-pressurizing. The outlet for the water is attached at the bottom of the reservoir itself- completely unattached from the filler mechanism. You've got a neat one there- now I'm standing by for the real story.

EDIT! I meant to say the outlet hole is at the bottom of the Thing's reservoir- just like yours.
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Mscdman · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:12 pm Post subject:

Here's what the bottom looks like:

hitest · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:18 pm Post subject:

This is happening in real time! Faster than I can type. Yup- that looks just like the one in the Thing.
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hitest · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:23 pm Post subject:

The tank in my Thing has a support stud in the top- since it "hangs" from the front latching fascia of the car body (thus it hangs from the stud and the pressurized nozzle). I have never owned a Ghia- so I just don't know how they attach. Nice thing is, you reservoir is clean enough- I'm sure someone on here would trade you for the appropriate unit.
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Mscdman · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:38 pm Post subject:

Lol I'm even more confused now than before.

This is from a Thing then not a bug? What years?

Also my original question still stands lol. I do not see a hole on the other side of the hose to pressurize the tank.

Put another way...I plugged the bottom of the tank. Hooked up the hose to a tire and the washer tank never pressurized.

Any chance someone with a camera could post a photo of the hole?

The bottle almost looks new. Since I can't figure this out I'm probably just going to list the whole apparatus on the classified here for 20 bucks

hitest · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:19 pm Post subject:

I've got two challenges here. My tank that looks just like yours is still fully installed in my '74 Thing, and works- but Thing parts are mostly shared from (not with) other models- so it may be a Ghia unit. 2nd, Your photos are too close to the tank and too dark to see what it is overall. I can't see how it mounts in a car. Can you pan back a bit and turn on a light? Cool

Your air hose does not attach directly to a car tire- it attaches to a schrader valve that is hard-mounted to the Thing's front fascia- right next to the bottle- it then connects to a semi-rigid opaque white hose that completes the reach to the spare (about 6' long overall) . I searched in the gallery- and found this pic of a '73, without it's air line or spare:

Look carefully at the short hose from the cap to the schrader valve. I'm certain the valve is there to handle the pressure transfer- and also to allow filling the spare tire with air without removing it from the car (since the thing's spare stores upside down). It's rather smart!
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hitest · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:23 pm Post subject:

I hope the picture helps- it's too dark in my barn for a photo shoot- but if you'd like, PM me and I'll text a couple close-ups to you from my phone.
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Mscdman · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:17 pm Post subject:

OK...mystery solved..I found this:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=572004&highlight=washer+bottle+valve

It describes how the valve works. Cool! Unfortuneately, my valve does not work. So what I have is a mint condition bottle from a 68+ Super Beetle apparently.

It mounts to the spare tire via a bracket and is almost identical to the early year Ghias which have the same shape, same bracket to attach to the spare tire but Ghias have a schreader valve in place of the pressurized cap. In any event, I am going to sell this since it's not from a ghia and I want OEM.

Check it out for pics galore

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1680726

Aussiebug · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:05 am Post subject:

hitest · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:33 am Post subject:

Bummer huh Aussiebug! Sometimes posters on here want help when they say they want to use a part on their Ghia- other times, they just want help so they can finish they're ad...

Sometimes you get both in one.
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