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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject: Wiper motor |
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My wipers weren"t working very well, and after taking the motor off, it looks like the splines on the shaft are shot. Is it possible to rebuild and just replace the shaft? Does anyone have any drawings, or steps to do this? Is this a procedure the the average owner can do? |
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:53 pm Post subject: wiper motor |
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I am answering my own post, talked to Kubelmann in Co., and decided to let him have his way, and rebuild completely. Also ordered a bunch of parts that I needed but kept putting off. |
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Captain Spalding Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2005 Posts: 2519 Location: . . . in denial.
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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That really is the best plan. The stiff 40-year-old grease and tarnished electrical contacts will make the motor run hotter and the parts wear faster. Rebuilding the motor isn't brain surgery, but it's not exactly easy either. It's a worthwhile investment to have it properly rebuilt. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:44 pm Post subject: wiper motor |
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Talked with Kubelmann on the phone about it first, he is a hell of a salesman, because basically I am a cheapskate and proud of it. If your reading this Kubelmann it went out today, and you will see it soon. |
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oasis Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Money well spent doesn't take away your cheapskatedness or whatever the heck word I'm trying to invent. _________________ Now: 2003 New Beetle Turbo S / 1990 Single Cab Transporter / 2014 Tiguan R-Line 4motion / 2013 Tiguan S / 2002 Golf GLS TDI
Past: 1974 Thing Acapulco / 2009 Eos Komfort / 1997 Jetta GT / 2002 Cabrio GLX / 2002 Passat GLS / 1971 Super Beetle / 1993 EuroVan MV Westfalia / 1981 Pickup LX / 1985 Vanagon / 1986 Jetta GLI |
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oasis Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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This seemed like the best thread to piggyback with what is a basic question and after seeing some impressive but way-over-my-head technical threads.
Is there a way of knowing if the wiper motor has gone kablooey or if the problem is in the switch (stalk) or elsewhere?
From Day One of my ownership, the slow and fast speeds were the same speed -- and I'm guessing slow using my memory of my '71 as a template. Today, it worked some of the time and didn't work some of the time. It no longer returns to its proper resting spot when turned off. The last time the rain returned, I couldn't get it to go on at all in any position.
When I parked Thing, I tried to manually return it to its proper resting position, and it started working fine again in the high speed position, but I had to manually time it to turn it off. Motor, stalk, something else, me? _________________ Now: 2003 New Beetle Turbo S / 1990 Single Cab Transporter / 2014 Tiguan R-Line 4motion / 2013 Tiguan S / 2002 Golf GLS TDI
Past: 1974 Thing Acapulco / 2009 Eos Komfort / 1997 Jetta GT / 2002 Cabrio GLX / 2002 Passat GLS / 1971 Super Beetle / 1993 EuroVan MV Westfalia / 1981 Pickup LX / 1985 Vanagon / 1986 Jetta GLI |
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Semper_Dad Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 3510 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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The park feature of the wiper is all about the motor. There's a cam and contacts that make and break depending on the arc.
If the motor moves, them you can assume the winding and power circuits are good. Speed of the motor is really dragged down by the grease viscosity and or wiper bearing shafts.
The following is a diagram I made to demonstrate each mode of operation. Some people have found it helpful.
If you want to simply test the wiper motor then place a ground on terminal 31 and a positive 12DC on Terminal 53 (low speed) or 53b (Fast Speed).
The parking circuit is a bit more tricky _________________ Walküre Restoration Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=737492 |
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wbrown45 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Semper_Dad wrote: |
The park feature of the wiper is all about the motor. There's a cam and contacts that make and break depending on the arc.
If the motor moves, them you can assume the winding and power circuits are good. Speed of the motor is really dragged down by the grease viscosity and or wiper bearing shafts.
The following is a diagram I made to demonstrate each mode of operation. Some people have found it helpful.
If you want to simply test the wiper motor then place a ground on terminal 31 and a positive 12DC on Terminal 53 (low speed) or 53b (Fast Speed).
The parking circuit is a bit more tricky |
Thanks Semper! That's a great diagram. _________________ OK Thang |
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oasis Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:17 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, Semper_Dad. With two features -- returning to the park position and operating on both on positions -- breaking down or working intermittently at the same time made me guess it might be the motor. It's time to research its replacement. _________________ Now: 2003 New Beetle Turbo S / 1990 Single Cab Transporter / 2014 Tiguan R-Line 4motion / 2013 Tiguan S / 2002 Golf GLS TDI
Past: 1974 Thing Acapulco / 2009 Eos Komfort / 1997 Jetta GT / 2002 Cabrio GLX / 2002 Passat GLS / 1971 Super Beetle / 1993 EuroVan MV Westfalia / 1981 Pickup LX / 1985 Vanagon / 1986 Jetta GLI |
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GI Joe Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2005 Posts: 2012 Location: Athens, TN
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:26 am Post subject: |
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oasis wrote: |
... It's time to research its replacement. |
$$$$$$$ Be prepared when ya see prices on replacements...
I have a friend that has worked in the electric motor industry for years... I'll be taking my motor to him for freshening/rebuilding....
Not sure how urgent your need is(this isn't your DD), I can report back when I get mine done, and share my experience....
Mine functions the same speed for either position, and Does park itself... Probably just Need a good cleanup and re brush...??? _________________ '74 Thing, "Our Thing"....
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...p;start=60
'71 Beetle RPU
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8080337#8080337
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GI Joe Samba Member
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oasis Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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GI Joe wrote: |
Not sure how urgent your need is(this isn't your DD), I can report back when I get mine done, and share my experience.... |
Not urgent at all.
It will be my DD for the next three days as I cross swords with the once-reliable dealership over Eos and Tiggy gets an oil change at our always-reliable shop, but it looks like sunny skies and clear nights ahead.
We're not taking Thing on our vacation this year as hoped, and I have much to do with Thing when we get back. So, I can take care of this in a few weeks or wait until next spring. If I get pressed, I'll give the windscreen a dose of Rain-X.
Thanks! _________________ Now: 2003 New Beetle Turbo S / 1990 Single Cab Transporter / 2014 Tiguan R-Line 4motion / 2013 Tiguan S / 2002 Golf GLS TDI
Past: 1974 Thing Acapulco / 2009 Eos Komfort / 1997 Jetta GT / 2002 Cabrio GLX / 2002 Passat GLS / 1971 Super Beetle / 1993 EuroVan MV Westfalia / 1981 Pickup LX / 1985 Vanagon / 1986 Jetta GLI |
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GI Joe Samba Member
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oasis Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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I got pressed after all. The morning dew left condensation. I wiped it down as best as I could. The defroster worked ... eventually ... about half way to the train station. I got the wipers to work initially, then they didn't, then they did. I left them on until I was sure I didn't need them again. Very annoying. Rain-X is on my shopping list sooner than expected. _________________ Now: 2003 New Beetle Turbo S / 1990 Single Cab Transporter / 2014 Tiguan R-Line 4motion / 2013 Tiguan S / 2002 Golf GLS TDI
Past: 1974 Thing Acapulco / 2009 Eos Komfort / 1997 Jetta GT / 2002 Cabrio GLX / 2002 Passat GLS / 1971 Super Beetle / 1993 EuroVan MV Westfalia / 1981 Pickup LX / 1985 Vanagon / 1986 Jetta GLI |
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Semper_Dad Samba Member
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kubelmann Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:02 am Post subject: |
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When we off-road down in Mexico we coat all sides of anything glass with the RainX WeatherBeater It is the two parts glass cleaner and water repellant/sealant. Once you clean and coat all glass, when the glass gets fogged, it quickly dries clear (if nobody touches the glass) I also am not able to get enough of this stuff coating/protecting my auto glass... As many of you know, I rebuild wiper motors and the best thing you can do for the wiper system is to coat the windshield with RainX so as to limit friction and make your wiper motor’s work possible... As with many Things on the VW, each component is just powerful enough to do its work with nothing to spare... It is a Zen like balance of economy and efficiency. Like Einstein said, “Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler..." |
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oasis Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Isn't there a Rain-X for inside and outside? (Yeah, I know ... search ) I'm at work now on a little break. I'll search later but I thought when I last used Rain-X -- maybe five years ago when I first purchased Eos -- there was a yellow container I always had used for the outside, and a black container I hadn't seen before that was marked for the inside.
Obvious or not, I had never done the inside. I will look into it when I get back from vacation (or maybe while I'm on vacation) as I did like the stuff as well. I can't think of why I stopped getting it.
At some point, I will probably get a wiper motor; then have the one that's currently installed rebuilt as a spare.
Thanks for the tips and reminders. Don't assume anything is too obvious with me. _________________ Now: 2003 New Beetle Turbo S / 1990 Single Cab Transporter / 2014 Tiguan R-Line 4motion / 2013 Tiguan S / 2002 Golf GLS TDI
Past: 1974 Thing Acapulco / 2009 Eos Komfort / 1997 Jetta GT / 2002 Cabrio GLX / 2002 Passat GLS / 1971 Super Beetle / 1993 EuroVan MV Westfalia / 1981 Pickup LX / 1985 Vanagon / 1986 Jetta GLI |
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GI Joe Samba Member
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kubelmann Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:33 am Post subject: |
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The small squeeze bottle we use is yellow |
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oasis Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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GI Joe wrote: |
There was an interior "anti-fog" stuff..... Haven't seen it for many years, stopped looking actually... when I had used it wasn't impressed....
It was in a black bottle.... |
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The small squeeze bottle we use is yellow |
Yup, this is how I remembered it. I never used the anti-fog stuff. I'll look for the yellow squeeze bottle, and will do both sides of each glass (except the interior side of the sunroof on Eos & Golf) on all vehicles -- Thing especially, but not on the curtains.
I'll sort out what I want to do with the wiper motor later. Much to do first. _________________ Now: 2003 New Beetle Turbo S / 1990 Single Cab Transporter / 2014 Tiguan R-Line 4motion / 2013 Tiguan S / 2002 Golf GLS TDI
Past: 1974 Thing Acapulco / 2009 Eos Komfort / 1997 Jetta GT / 2002 Cabrio GLX / 2002 Passat GLS / 1971 Super Beetle / 1993 EuroVan MV Westfalia / 1981 Pickup LX / 1985 Vanagon / 1986 Jetta GLI |
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