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vdubmyk
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 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:20 pm Post subject: How to tell if a license frame is real or repop? |
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Just what the title states...how can you tell if a dealer frame is an original one or a repop? I purchased an NOS one on eBay and want to make sure it's real. I'll post pics later, I'm at work now. I guess it doesn't really matter because I'm gonna rock it anyway.
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vdubmyk
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This is a screenshot of the frame from eBay. The back of it has
no manufacturers mark. It's just the plain castings.
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restojohnny
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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also ATLAS made frames too but the one you got on ebay is definitely a re-pop  you can tell by how your frame is more squared and flat than rounded there are a few more details aswell but the obvious being what I stated.
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RareAir
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| I think it's just "modern" so that there are a lot of them running around. |
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| the one you got on ebay is definitely a re-pop you can tell by how your frame is more squared and flat than rounded there are a few more details aswell but the obvious being what I stated. |
I concur with the above statements. There was a production run of that frame style in the 90s, and can be seen 4-sale in the $40-$75 range.
The style shown above is a more recent production run, probably within the last 12 months
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It's modern, look at the lower left and right corners. The checkerboard pattern tells me they are modern. All the old ones don't have that.
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vdubmyk
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Thanks for the input. Like I said, it was an Ebay buy with only that picture that I posted above. I still think it looks good and installed it on the car already. I paid $60 for it, so I guess that's a decent price considering it was never installed.
You can tell the blue paint wasn't detailed perfect so I kind of suspected it was a repop when i received it.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| It's modern, look at the lower left and right corners. The checkerboard pattern tells me they are modern. All the old ones don't have that. |
Some did have the checkerboard. This is a photo from about 1975:
I will check tonight, but I think Clemmie's Ogner frame also has them, and that was right from the dealer in late 1970. |
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| EverettB wrote: |
I see those for sale all the time but I don't specifically know if that one was reproduced.
I think it's just "modern" so that there are a lot of them running around. |
Everett is right ….. I see frames like this on 1990's - 2000's Jettas all the time here in SoCal.
The dealership is still in business and has been for decades.
Dozens of different styles & eras of frames are out there for this dealership. |
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L41ThreeFold
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| Robert Brown is usually the makers' mark found on the backside of plate frames manufactured prior to the 80s |
I have to differ with RareAir in his use of the word "usually". People will interpret that to mean that if it does not say Robert Brown on the back then it is not "original". Nothing could be further from the truth.
Robert Brown was probably the biggest frame manufacturer around in the 1950's - 1970's in Southern California. But he was one of dozens of manufacturers in the region; as evidenced by the dozens of different frame designs used in that era.
Robert Brown just happened to be the only SoCal manufacturer to put his name on the backside of his frames (Cosmo & Atlas did in the Pacific NW). |
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L41ThreeFold
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenn wrote: |
It's modern, look at the lower left and right corners. The checkerboard pattern tells me they are modern. All the old ones don't have that.
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Checkerboards were used since the late 1960's & early 1970's as evidenced by the 1970's Ogner photo.
All the way up until present-day.
Again …. dozens of different manufacturers threw out dozens of different designs.
"blanket statements" are probably not good to make in the arena of license frames |
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L41ThreeFold
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This photo that Glen posted speaks volumes ……
7 frames manufactured from 6 different molds/manufacturers.
Nuff said. |
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Jonerin
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| I have one from Cronin in Cincinnati Ohio - came on our new 60 beetle, no makers marks at all on it, and just says Cronin, no VW reference at all, although Cronin was a VW dealer. But we bought it new there in 1960, I was 5. We also bought a 58 from Raymond motors, but the frame disappeared, although I do have the owners manual and folder. |
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Al Capulco
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a CA. frame that says Atlas Auto Products, Inc. Los Angeles, California on the back. |
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