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Muulch
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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:04 pm Post subject: My 1967 Fastback project |
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Hi there...this is my first post on the forum here. I've been browsing for a while, learning about the car I've just purchased. Here's a quick phone pic:
If it's not against the rules or anything, I think I'll keep posting questions in this thread as I come to them while restoring/fixing my car. Maybe a progress update once in a while. I've tried the search bar so many times but for terms like "clock", "gauge", "replace headlights", and so on, there are hundreds of results to sift through. The stickies have helped a bit but not as much as I'd like. I thought it'd be easier to flat out ask questions myself.
Brief background: I don't have anything really specific planned for the car yet; right now I'm just going through with chrome polish and cleaning wax and getting this thing shiny and new looking again. I ordered some replacement parts (side mirror and the center horn button) and I expect to be ordering more as I find out that I need them.
Well anyway, here's my first actual question: How do I get into the dash so I can work on the gauges and radio? The gas gauge isn't working (the needle, not the lights. Those work fine) and the clock is stopped. The radio also does not work. I want to be able to get in behind them and address their problems, but how? I can't get to the screws on the dash itself because they're beneath a long strip of metal trim that I'm afraid of ripping out. I don't have any experience with older vehicles like this so detailed explanations are appreciated!
Sorry if this isn't a proper thread or anything like that. I'm just trying to expedite the restoration process. I don't have any more pics, but I can take some more if anyone wants to see them, or if you need clarification on what I'm asking. |
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A quick piece of advice, disconnect the battery before working on the dash stuff. I only say that, as it's easy to knock a "hot" wire off and have it go to ground (big arc, smoke and melted wires).
Also, the search function is your friend. You can do a search on gas gauge problems, as they come up frequently on here (might even be within the last 2 main pages of this forum).
That's a nice looking 67 you've got there. where are you in Michigan?
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Muulch
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| That's a nice looking 67 you've got there. where are you in Michigan? |
I live in a suburb just outside Grand Rapids!
And everyone asking for pics; I'll snap a few more later today or this weekend. You'll love the interior....It isnt pigalle, but its in pretty much mint condition. Upholstery is all intact, nice and clean, visors and glove box moving smoothly, vinyl on the dash is shiny like new. My only complaint is that I need a new front floor mat due to simple wear and tear from driving. The interior is the primary reason I bought the car. I want to keep the inside stock and work primarily on the body and motor. |
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You have to remove the clock,speedometer,gauge cluster in that order. If your fat fingers have trouble removing the speedometer ask your wife or daughter with slim hands to remove it for you. BTDT
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Bobnotch
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| That's a nice looking 67 you've got there. where are you in Michigan? |
I live in a suburb just outside Grand Rapids! |
Ok, I'm on the east side of the state. Just outside of Port Huron.
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Muulch
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Alright here I am again....I didn't take more pics of the car because it's trapped in my garage with parts everywhere, and I still have to wax it down. But I finally got the clock out:
This sounds like a stupid question, but do you see that tiny blue plastic shell in the last 2 pics that is covering a nut? What the heck is that? I can't get to the nut without taking it off, and I can't seem to take it off without breaking it completely. Once I get that nut off the clock, I can open it up right? Like this is how you open the clock?
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Alright here I am again....I didn't take more pics of the car because it's trapped in my garage with parts everywhere, and I still have to wax it down. But I finally got the clock out:
This sounds like a stupid question, but do you see that tiny blue plastic shell in the last 2 pics that is covering a nut? What the heck is that? I can't get to the nut without taking it off, and I can't seem to take it off without breaking it completely. Once I get that nut off the clock, I can open it up right? Like this is how you open the clock? |
Beautiful car!! Have fun with it.
That thing covering the nut s a tamper seal designed to keep you out of the innards of the clock.  You'll need to remove it to get the cover off, but don't worry; the warranty expired about 45 years ago. 
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Muulch
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Beautiful car!! Have fun with it.
That thing covering the nut s a tamper seal designed to keep you out of the innards of the clock. You'll need to remove it to get the cover off, but don't worry; the warranty expired about 45 years ago. |
Hey thanks for the response! I'll rip that thing off without worry when I get back home. Also I took a quick look at your business (in your sig) and I must say if I didnt live way over here in MI I would definitely be bringing my car in to your shop. We don't have any "vintage car specialists" around here that I know of, much less those that specialize in Volkswagens. Looks like a really great & honest business
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What a beautiful car!
I can tell, just by looking at the condition of that gauge, that you have a real cream-puff there...!
My gauges looked like they were at the bottom of a lake compared to those.
Maybe a few better pictures and/or a detailed story about that little beauty there?
Love a good build thread...
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Muulch
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What a beautiful car!
I can tell, just by looking at the condition of that gauge, that you have a real cream-puff there...!
My gauges looked like they were at the bottom of a lake compared to those.
Maybe a few better pictures and/or a detailed story about that little beauty there?
Love a good build thread... |
Yeah I got lucky with this one! And I'll type up the story and post it with the other pics soon, if I ever get around to taking them...
Another question for you all: My gas gauge doesn't work. I'm looking through some of these repair threads and they're kind of going over my head. Has anyone ever worked on their fuel senders who can offer some advice for a less experienced VW owner?
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Have you looked at the fuel sending unit at the top of the fuel tank? that is what sends the signal to the fuel gauge, try pulling the wire an touching it to ground, it should show the gauge as full if so then you should look at a new sending unit if not then you should look into another gauge.
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Muulch
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| Have you looked at the fuel sending unit at the top of the fuel tank? that is what sends the signal to the fuel gauge, try pulling the wire an touching it to ground, it should show the gauge as full if so then you should look at a new sending unit if not then you should look into another gauge. |
I'm predicting that the sender is the one giving me problems because the gauge works great regarding the warning lights. If I touch the wire to a ground and I get a "full" reading, do you think I would be able to just take out the sender and clean it? I'm actually reading an old thread that explains how to clean the sending unit so it works again--I'm gonna try it tomorrow if I have time. If that doesn't work then I guess it's time to look for a new sender.......
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| Have you looked at the fuel sending unit at the top of the fuel tank? that is what sends the signal to the fuel gauge, try pulling the wire an touching it to ground, it should show the gauge as full if so then you should look at a new sending unit if not then you should look into another gauge. |
I'm predicting that the sender is the one giving me problems because the gauge works great regarding the warning lights. If I touch the wire to a ground and I get a "full" reading, do you think I would be able to just take out the sender and clean it? I'm actually reading an old thread that explains how to clean the sending unit so it works again--I'm gonna try it tomorrow if I have time. If that doesn't work then I guess it's time to look for a new sender....... |
Rather that get a new sending unit, why not send yours to Jim Adney for rebuilding. Contact him at [email protected] as he rebuilds them for less than new ones sell for.
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Hey I snapped some more pics of my car! When you get to the shot of my interior, be warned that I gutted out the clock and the steering wheel. While I'm on the topic of my clock.....I fixed it! I connect it to a little 9V battery with 2 wires and it runs. However, it only runs for about 15 seconds and then it stops. To get it started again, I must wind the gears up to the point just before it self-winds, then connect the wires again. As soon as I complete the circuit, it jumps into action for another 15 seconds. If I put it into my car, with a 12V battery, will my clock run continuously?
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What a fine-looking car!
The clock gears could need cleaning. I cleaned mine when I had it out, after I fixed the fusible link. It still wouldn't stay running, but I found the balance wheel needed lubrication. That's the little wheel you see rocking back and forth as the clock ticks. To lubricate, dip the tip of a needle in a light oil, and touch the tip to the center of the balance wheel, where it rocks back and forth on the shaft. Don't oil the gear teeth anywhere in the clock, as this will attract dirt and gum up the works.
I fixed my clock last November and it's still running fine. I used 3-In-1 household oil; I think something like motor oil would be too heavy. For cleaning the gears, cigarette lighter fluid on a Q-Tip is best, as it leaves no residue.
Put the clock in and leave it hooked to 12 volts, and see how it does. It's easy to pop it back out if needed, as you now know. 
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