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gitchesum Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2003 Posts: 513 Location: North Cali
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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project68 wrote: |
I cleaned up the interior on the 58' i picked up recently. There was 3 layers of seat covers on each seat. All the mats are there and in great shape, just need a good scrub down. Also need to try and give the original fabric on the seats a cleaning, see if i can get them to look a little better..
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Hope that box don't damage that nice interior.... _________________ Looking for SP Kadron manifolds...please !!
57 SC
61 rag w/356B brakes
61 356B
Honda XLR 250, 69 Z50, Yamaha 100 Enduro...and others.
GMC SLT 4x4 Dmax
Kubota L3710, not enuf attachments.
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Mats W Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2009 Posts: 368 Location: South West Sweden
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: My early 58 Deluxe Swedish |
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Yann_bzh wrote: |
Because of the legislation in the Nordic countries of Europe, it was equipped with rear lights after 60 of 1200, I found the lights corresponding to the option on my M018 this certificate Museum (on TheSamba elsewhere) and Meanwhile I put snowflakes.
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The correct rear tail lights for a 61 and earlier "nordic" delivered car are the ones below. On the right is the swedish lens and on the left a regular snowflake.
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Hi guys, I'm just in the middle of the process reading thru the 112 pages of this topic
As a "Nordic" myself, and also the owner of a couple of Swedish beetles I thought I had to comment on what you wrote way back on page 95:
I mean the correct rear tail lights for a 61 and earlier "nordic" delivered car could be either of the ones below. On the right is the swedish lens and on the left a regular snowflake.
Either the Swedish cars were equipped with the plastic "Swedish lens" OR the regular snowflake in combination with a pair of rear reflectors. Also the rear reflectors could be substituted with a special kind of wide red reflecting tape attached to the rear bumper. All this was set to meet legal requirements on reflection area when parked in the street lights out in the dark and/or driving in bad weather conditions.
So there were really three different options for the Swedish VW owners to go legal back in the days
Like this: Snowflakes in combination with reflectors (random Swedish car from the gallery)
OR like this: Plastic lenses (possibly M-code 042) without reflectors/tape.
The reflaction tape could be used on any car in Sweden.
This is another example of a '54 Customline (Swedish built CKD) also needing bigger reflection area to meet the Scandinavian standards.
Very useful thread BTW |
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Mats W Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2009 Posts: 368 Location: South West Sweden
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Just read thru all 112 pages Great thread for reference. Pity though nearly one third of the pictures are gone missing due to not adding them to theSamba gallery in the first place
Acquired this –58 just the other day. Utterly rusty. Non-complete. Without title and other paper work. Rear deck lid, engine and rear apron pulled. Otherwise it seems very little tampered with, so I thought I’d post up it’s data and some characteristic references for the discussion.
VW 113 deluxe hardtop
Designated for the Swedish market
Paint: L 41 Black, upholstery: 50 blue-grey cloth
VIN: 1 923 743
Body: 276 512
Engine: NA
Axle #s non available. Covered under substantial undercoating…
Features on this vehicle:
* Snowflakes (which certainly meant additional reflectors also were mounted on the rear bumper for legal reasons)
* Aftermarket turn signals (“musöron” = “buds”) mounted over the semaphores (common Swedish practice in the late 1960’s)
* Old style front fenders with cable tubes, twin lower housing drain holes (with rubber plugs), accentuated square-ish edges towards the footrest mountings and ca 34cm radius on the top towards the middle of the wheel arch
* Rear fenders with dimples between the mounting holes
* Rear gravel guards (supposedly Swedish standard)
* Cigar-style ashtray
* Plastic sun visors with spear on the mounting
* Four tab front lid
* Period correct aftermarket windshield washer with one squirter in the center
* Right hand side windshield wiper points slightly more upwards than the left side one
* 13 mm fender screws front and rear
* Flat head screws holding the wiring cover
* Four finger front apron with 4 bolt hood look
* Four metal rails at the back of the rear seat
* Dual coat hangers
* Pointed lower fastening ends of the folding back rests
* Oval style folding backseat strap down
* Riveted VIN-tag with blank “Baujahr”-field
* “Made in Western Germany”-tag and two horizontal ribs behind the brake fluid reservoir
* Blinded right horn grille
* Engine compartment rubber drain hoses without metal tubes at the lower ends
* Front seat belts (Swedish made accessory. I have them on both my 1960’s too)
* No front sway bar
* No radio
* No passenger dash handle
* No fuel gauge
* No Eberspächer (more or less a delete option in Sweden)
As for the number of drain holes in the spare wheel well, you can’t really tell … very, very rusty … |
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sunroof Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2006 Posts: 1773 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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A fantastic car. This is proof that 58 and 59 Canadian custom cars came with cloth upholstery. If you're on F*book join the 58 59 group and post pics of your car as there are some doubters.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5859beetles/
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myvolks1 Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2011 Posts: 182 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:46 pm Post subject: Front Swau Bar? |
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Did someone remove the front sway bar?
From what I know it should have one.
Mats W wrote: |
Just read thru all 112 pages Great thread for reference. Pity though nearly one third of the pictures are gone missing due to not adding them to theSamba gallery in the first place
Acquired this –58 just the other day. Utterly rusty. Non-complete. Without title and other paper work. Rear deck lid, engine and rear apron pulled. Otherwise it seems very little tampered with, so I thought I’d post up it’s data and some characteristic references for the discussion.
VW 113 deluxe hardtop
Designated for the Swedish market
Paint: L 41 Black, upholstery: 50 blue-grey cloth
VIN: 1 923 743
Body: 276 512
Engine: NA
Axle #s non available. Covered under substantial undercoating…
Features on this vehicle:
* Snowflakes (which certainly meant additional reflectors also were mounted on the rear bumper for legal reasons)
* Aftermarket turn signals (“musöron” = “buds”) mounted over the semaphores (common Swedish practice in the late 1960’s)
* Old style front fenders with cable tubes, twin lower housing drain holes (with rubber plugs), accentuated square-ish edges towards the footrest mountings and ca 34cm radius on the top towards the middle of the wheel arch
* Rear fenders with dimples between the mounting holes
* Rear gravel guards (supposedly Swedish standard)
* Cigar-style ashtray
* Plastic sun visors with spear on the mounting
* Four tab front lid
* Period correct aftermarket windshield washer with one squirter in the center
* Right hand side windshield wiper points slightly more upwards than the left side one
* 13 mm fender screws front and rear
* Flat head screws holding the wiring cover
* Four finger front apron with 4 bolt hood look
* Four metal rails at the back of the rear seat
* Dual coat hangers
* Pointed lower fastening ends of the folding back rests
* Oval style folding backseat strap down
* Riveted VIN-tag with blank “Baujahr”-field
* “Made in Western Germany”-tag and two horizontal ribs behind the brake fluid reservoir
* Blinded right horn grille
* Engine compartment rubber drain hoses without metal tubes at the lower ends
* Front seat belts (Swedish made accessory. I have them on both my 1960’s too)
* No front sway bar
* No radio
* No passenger dash handle
* No fuel gauge
* No Eberspächer (more or less a delete option in Sweden)
As for the number of drain holes in the spare wheel well, you can’t really tell … very, very rusty … |
_________________ 1959 L358 (Garnet Red)
Type-113 De Luxe Sedan
WANTED: DEET EICHEL (Modesto, CA), license plate frames and other Deet Eichel related items.
Wanted: Original VW |
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DrHAX Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2011 Posts: 247 Location: Isanti MN
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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I got a 1958. (its a 30 year old barn find)
Needless to say it isn't OG. Has some of the og parts though on it. Most of the dash is original. Doors and front apron aren't. Convinced the car was a gutted shell for somebody else's project and the prior owner saved it form its death during the late 80's. Original decklid was punched.
However does have the cigar ashtray And the Clear needle speedo and speedometer. I've acquired a right era steering wheel and button for it.
_________________ Signed by the rather insane, ambitious, and very stubborn Darko |
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bsvwoc Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2001 Posts: 217
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:37 am Post subject: 1958 1959 beetles |
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I noticed a lot of new black cars showing up recently. |
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myvolks1 Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2011 Posts: 182 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:13 pm Post subject: 58 Barn Find |
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Can you post some pics of the interior?
Paint job looks pretty shinny, did it sit in the bar for 30-yrs with this paint job?
Looks like it has 65 and newer doors and seats, hood is also newer.
DrHAX wrote: |
I got a 1958. (its a 30 year old barn find)
Needless to say it isn't OG. Has some of the og parts though on it. Most of the dash is original. Doors and front apron aren't. Convinced the car was a gutted shell for somebody else's project and the prior owner saved it form its death during the late 80's. Original decklid was punched.
However does have the cigar ashtray And the Clear needle speedo and speedometer. I've acquired a right era steering wheel and button for it.
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_________________ 1959 L358 (Garnet Red)
Type-113 De Luxe Sedan
WANTED: DEET EICHEL (Modesto, CA), license plate frames and other Deet Eichel related items.
Wanted: Original VW |
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rcjunky Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 83 Location: KCMO area
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:46 am Post subject: |
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What is the knob/switch to the right of the ashtray in the pic above? I have that small hole there on my dash but nothing is in it. |
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Fifty-Eight Rag Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2011 Posts: 936 Location: St. Louis, MO
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rcjunky Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 83 Location: KCMO area
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Ok, that makes since since I don't have a choke on my carbs. I guess I will go ahead and enlarge that hole to make a 12v accessory outlet. |
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sunroof Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2006 Posts: 1773 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Did we discuss this? The blue door is from a August of 58 car and the green door is from a 59. Do you see the difference? Should I put the 58 door on my 59? Would this confuse the shit out of some future restorer?
Don |
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stale air Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2007 Posts: 5152 Location: Senoia Ga, formally NorCal
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Its been a bunch of years since I have had the panels off of my July built 58, but if memory serves me, mine is like the lower door. _________________ WANTED: Henry Veale Santa Rosa plate frames
WANTED: Brittsan Motors Fresno plate frames
WANTED: Any Georgia plate frames
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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sunroof wrote: |
Did we discuss this? The blue door is from a August of 58 car and the green door is from a 59. Do you see the difference? Should I put the 58 door on my 59? Would this confuse the shit out of some future restorer?
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The only difference I see between the 2 doors is the sheet metal at the rear of the inside door lock actuator rod covers the rod on the 59 door and is uncovered with a round indentation at the very end on the 58 door. I wonder why they made this change? Any other differences that I missed?? _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
PUNCTUATION CHANGES THE WORLD: "I need to help my uncle, Jack, off a horse" is way better than, "I need to help my uncle jack off a horse" |
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sunroof Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2006 Posts: 1773 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:15 am Post subject: |
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That's what I was talking about. Considering the work necessary to make stamp and die changes, it seems like a lot of trouble to go to for such a small change.
Don |
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Mayor Marion Berry Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2014 Posts: 119 Location: Fredericksbug VA
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thinking about installing popouts on my 59, but I don't know EXACTLY what parts I need to turn my OG rear windows into pop outs. Been searching the forums and all the questions seem to be either related to newer bugs.
Thanks all! |
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stale air Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2007 Posts: 5152 Location: Senoia Ga, formally NorCal
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Mayor Marion Berry wrote: |
Thinking about installing popouts on my 59, but I don't know EXACTLY what parts I need to turn my OG rear windows into pop outs. Been searching the forums and all the questions seem to be either related to newer bugs.
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Tons of threads on them. Here is one that may help.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=495381&highlight=pop+outs _________________ WANTED: Henry Veale Santa Rosa plate frames
WANTED: Brittsan Motors Fresno plate frames
WANTED: Any Georgia plate frames
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Mayor Marion Berry Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2014 Posts: 119 Location: Fredericksbug VA
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks! |
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MeeferMadness Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2004 Posts: 305 Location: Eugene Oregon
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject: Correct Front Beam |
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I recently purchased a basket case 1958 Euro Rag (#2114936) Upon inspection I found the car to have a 1960 front beam. I have been trying to locate a period correct beam for the car. So far I have only located a 239... Mar/April 1959 beam. Can someone tell me if this beam would be correct or in what number range might be correct for the car?
Thanks
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Cal-Neva speed shop Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2012 Posts: 76 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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I just bought this original paint 1959. My question is, are the wheels painted right? They have been repainted but I thought a 1959 was supposed to have a black outer hoop and a white inner hoop? Is that right?
_________________ 1962 double cab
1963 double cab
1961 single cab
1956 low light Ghia
1957 oval
1958 bug
1967 bug
1956 oval
1969 Ghia |
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