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Heinz57 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2008 Posts: 141 Location: Smyrna, GA
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:55 pm Post subject: Camshaft choice and what compression ratio |
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I have been collecting parts for a new 2276 to go into my ‘59 Beetle with a '68 4:12 transmission. Its not a drag car, just a fun driver for local cruising and to make a few 200-300 mile highway trips a year for car shows. I want an engine that would make 140-150 hp without having to over stress it. The car is currently using the 1955 cc engine out of my Baja with with the a Vintage Speed Superflow 1 1/2" exhaust to go with the 1 1/2" diameter heater boxes.
I have few a concerns on my Engle FK44 camshaft choice and what to set the compression at. After reading many posts on 2276 build ups, it appears that many people are going with a 9 to 1 and higher on the compression. I checked with several local engine builders close to me and they all basically said go with 8.5 with that cam due to gasoline, heat and humidity here in the southeast? Maybe I have reading too many posts on the FK44 being a little noisy sounding and rough on the lifter bores due to its’ steep ramps, “arrow like” lobes someone said. Several posters also suggested using the Web 86B cam instead since it has less aggressive ramps. I don’t mind opening the case again to swap the cam or am I worrying about nothing? I was also holding off on buying heads for this engine until I get the cam and compression figured out. I was looking at the L5 CNC ported heads with the 40/35.5 valves.
Right now the 2276 short block has been assembled and consists of the following:
CB Aluminum standard 94mm case (Completely deburred and cleaned up inside and has a OEM German pickup tube installed and full flowed)
CB 82 mm crank w/VW rod journal
CB H beam rods w/ARP bolts
Dual 44 IDFs set up by John at ACN (Using them now on the 1955 cc Baja engine)
Engle FK44 cam and Engle lifters
DPR 10lbs OEM Flywheel
Kennedy stage 1 PP w/ a Daikin 200 disc
CB Magnaspark distributor (Got it with a core engine)
New OEM VW distributor drive gear, crank gears and timing gears
The entire rotating assembly was cleaned, checked and balanced _________________ 1970 Baja 1641cc, 1965 Gltterbug Buggy 1641cc and a 1989 Jeep Cherokee XJ |
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MURZI Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2005 Posts: 5063 Location: Madisonville, La
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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I am using the Fk44 at 9.6:1 and 91 octane. Runs perfect. I believe DCR came in at 7.4:1... It is a little noisy but it is a great street cam. Torque that builds early and never stops.......
As for heads you need nice flowing heads. Make sure they can handle the lift. I came in at .561 with CB 1.4 rockers. VW 650 springs. Most off the shelf heads max out around .545.
"I checked with several local engine builders close to me and they all basically said go with 8.5 with that cam due to gasoline, heat and humidity here in the southeast?" ....I promise you they have not run this cam and are scared to try the higher compression. The humidity is pea soup down here in Louisiana. Trust me, 9.6:1 will be perfect. _________________ 62 vert
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Tim’s welded heads
45 Dells
A1 sidewinder
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15309 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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With your 1 1/2" exhaust and L5 heads, leave the FK-44 and use CB 1.3 rockers. Set the compression around 8.8-9.2. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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Dan Ruddock Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2012 Posts: 3594 Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Don't like noisy cams and never recommend them. There is other stuff out there that will make just as much power without the noise. Dan |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2002 Posts: 4394 Location: Brew City
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Heinz57 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2008 Posts: 141 Location: Smyrna, GA
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions. I do have access to a new W120 cam. I was a little concerned about the FK44 when I was first starting building engine due to the VS exhaust size limitations. Either way I have to buy ratio rockers regardless of which camshaft I keep or install. I guess I should have done some more homework on the FK44 before buying one.
If I go with the W120 camshaft with the 1.25 rockers and the L5 CNC ported 40/35.5 heads (64 cc), should I go with a 9 to 9.5 compression? I have always run super unleaded 93 octane so that's not an issue for me. _________________ 1970 Baja 1641cc, 1965 Gltterbug Buggy 1641cc and a 1989 Jeep Cherokee XJ |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2002 Posts: 4394 Location: Brew City
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Heinz57 wrote: |
Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions. I do have access to a new W120 cam. I was a little concerned about the FK44 when I was first starting building engine due to the VS exhaust size limitations. Either way I have to buy ratio rockers regardless of which camshaft I keep or install. I guess I should have done some more homework on the FK44 before buying one.
If I go with the W120 camshaft with the 1.25 rockers and the L5 CNC ported 40/35.5 heads (64 cc), should I go with a 9 to 9.5 compression? I have always run super unleaded 93 octane so that's not an issue for me. |
Yeah, between 9 and 9.5 will run great on any fuel. _________________ Please "LIKE" us on facebook to see what we are working on.
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:15 am Post subject: |
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I loved my old fk 8,kinda wish it was in this motor so i could use more ratio. Im not a fan of pointy lobes, or tall lobes.I like to let the rocker do it's job and use as short of a lobe as possiable so your not throwing the lifter & pushrod oh so far and expecting the spring to shuve it back effectively with low ratios. Im thinken on trying to get a .280" lift roller lobe and my 2.1 ratio rockers for my 356 for a very mild set up 200hp+ highway car. but currently the fish fryer is full and so is the bucket. |
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