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jsup Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2014 Posts: 246 Location: NJ
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:57 pm Post subject: Rear Stub Axles |
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I have everything apart, and pressed out the bearings in the rear trailing arms.
The guy I bought the car from is a complete screw up, so I'm just resigned to have to do the whole thing from scratch.
The bearing carrier is completely empty. Both bearings, the seals, and the spacers are all out. I cleaned out all the old grease.
The bearing carrier was jammed full of grease around the outside of the spacers, taking up all the excess space in the carrier. Seems to be unnecessary and messy.
Is this correct? It seems to me that the grease in the void doesn't really serve a purpose. But I could be wrong. It doesn't hurt anything to jam it full, but I want to know if that's the way it's supposed to be or does grease belong just in the bearings and on the stub axle where it passes through the spacers and bearings? |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20378 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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To completely fill bearings carries is the factory method and recommended method to pack grease in carriers.... Same applies to front spindles, but rarely do people do it....
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
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jsup Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2014 Posts: 246 Location: NJ
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Dale, I'll pack them all full of grease. Not a problem. I just didn't want to make a mess. |
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GS guy Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2007 Posts: 968 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:17 am Post subject: |
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I generally don't "pack" it full, but do liberally grease the inside of the trailing arm cavity and outside of the spacer before installation. Of course the bearings do get fully packed.
On the couple of trailing arms I've re-done, the bearings have always been a light-tap fit in the housing and on the axle. Crud build-up can make it more of a "hammer" fit. The parts should be operating table clean and well greased for re-installation.
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jsup Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2014 Posts: 246 Location: NJ
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:32 am Post subject: |
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The way it was, is that it was so full, the bearing spacer was slipped throught the middle of the grease, and when I pulled out the spacer, there was a hole left, that looked solid.
I don't know what the factory did, and what the moron before me did. Because he was a moron. |
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jsturtlebuggy Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2005 Posts: 4496 Location: Fair Oaks/Orangevale, CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Yes the bearing carrier area came full of grease like what you found.
From what I have read it is done for areas that see a lot of cold weather with temps below freezing. It suppose to keep the grease from migrating away from wheel bearings.
Where I live I never experienced it with just packing the bearings and not filling the cavity area. _________________ Joseph
Fair Oaks/Orangevale, CA
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jsup Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2014 Posts: 246 Location: NJ
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it doesn't make logical sense to me. The friction is between the spacer and the stub axle. There's nothing rubbing on the outside of the spacer that would have to be greased or causing heat/friction. |
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heywebonya Samba Member
Joined: July 08, 2010 Posts: 823 Location: Portage, MI
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Note: Many times the reason for packing a void or airspace with grease is to eliminate the air pocket; this eliminates the air pocket heating and cooling cycles that in turn create pressure or vacuums that can draw in water or other junk. _________________ If I knew what I was doing; I wouldn't be building a buggy! |
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jsup Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2014 Posts: 246 Location: NJ
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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heywebonya wrote: |
Note: Many times the reason for packing a void or airspace with grease is to eliminate the air pocket; this eliminates the air pocket heating and cooling cycles that in turn create pressure or vacuums that can draw in water or other junk. |
Ah, like boat trailers. Fill the void so when you dunk them water doesn't get pulled in. Good point. |
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