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Bman Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2005 Posts: 895 Location: South Coast, Oregon
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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You can boost a tdi way beyond those "chipped" output figures*, so just set a performance goal and a budget, and then right-size your install to suit. To my mind the tdi and 1.8t are by far the most appealing swaps on the market today.
*the torque figures are the ones to watch _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17153 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Last time on the dyno with everything stock we measured about 100 hp and about 150 foot pounds of torque at the wheels. I have not been back on the dyno since installing the EGR delete pipe and the Sprint Bozio 520 nozzles. Ours is a 1.9 ALH TDI from a 98 Beetle. You will need to plan on some regearing of the trans if you intend to do sustained hwy driving. Not because the engine can't take it, but the economy goes down the toilet. Taller tires alone are not enough. Diesels are not for everyone, and it would take many fillups to recoup the cost of a completed diesel conversion with this type of engine. Regards. _________________ ☮️ |
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Hatterasker Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2011 Posts: 208 Location: Pacific Northwest
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:18 am Post subject: TDI in Westy |
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Just posted re same before seeing your thread
Is a TDI worth the endeavor to put in my '86 Westy?
How would I know that the TDI motor is worth a damn?
Thank you very much.
Matt |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17153 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Our Vanagon was diesel originally, so we did more of an upgrade than a conversion. I am pretty handy and was able to do all the work myself. So yes, it was really worth it for our Westy.
As it relates to the engine. My advice would be to buy either a low mileage wrecked TDI car preferably one that still starts and runs, or a used running TDI and plan on refreshing the engine either before you have it installed or after the conversion is done and you are ready for it. Signs would be hard starting cold, low oil pressure etc. If you stay electronic, you really do need a donor car. Go to TDI Club/ Conversion section, search Andy Bees.
If I had a gasser wbx I'd really consider a Subaru if I just wanted to repower. As I said above diesels are not for everyone. MPG is only one of many reasons to power with a diesel. You read enough here and you will find that those with diesels are very passionate about them as well as the Subaru owners, Ford power, etc. mark _________________ ☮️ |
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Hatterasker Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2011 Posts: 208 Location: Pacific Northwest
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:19 am Post subject: Thanks |
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Thank you, rsxsr.
I will do some sleuthing about the site to find out more. |
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AndyBees Samba Member
Joined: January 31, 2008 Posts: 2331 Location: Southeast Kentucky
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Tranny, etc. |
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AndyBees wrote: |
outwesty wrote: |
stock R&P. 1.14 for 3rd and 0.70 for 4th. It's still not on the road so I can't give you any feedback yet. Should do 70 or so at 3,000 RPM with my large tires. |
A few weeks ago, I rebuilt/upgraded an 091 out of an '82 with the 2.0 Air-cooled engine. That tranny has the 4.57:1 Ring & Pinion.
So, I went with the 1.14 3rd and .77 4th. If the paper work translate into the real world, about 2850 RPMs should yeild about 65 mph using 205/75/15 tires.
I'm installing an ALH TDI '01 model.
Go over to TDIclub.com and see the graph. It is located at the TDI Conversion forums. |
Update:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=276798 _________________ '84 Vanagon Tin-top, ALH TDI. 1989 Tin-top
1983 Air-cool, 225k miles, 180k miles mine. Seven trips to Alaska from 1986 thru 2003. |
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tclark Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2005 Posts: 926
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Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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I just wanted to clarify the fly wheel, pressure plate, clutch disk,transmission input shaft, starter options
(I just did a clutch job & I bought my tdi mostly converted & assumed an ahu 228mm fly wheel it was not)
Option 1
DV Flywheel, dv 215mm pressure plate, & dv 215mm clutch disk, vanagon transmission input shaft
-no modification to dv bell housing, no clearance issue of dv starter
-will slip under load going up a hill in 3/4th
-uses standard vanagon transmission input shaft
-some clutch chatter at idle, revs up quickly, skill req'd for hill starts
-RnR oil pan w/o tranny removal, allows access rear oil pan bolts
Option 2
Lighten 228mm 14-16lbs Flywheel, 228mm G60 pressure plate, & Vanagon 228mm clutch disk, vanagon transmission input shaft
-modification to dv bell housing, no clearance issue of dv starter
-uses dv dust shield and dust plate
-may/may not slip under load going up a hill in 3/4th
-uses standard vanagon transmission input shaft
-some clutch chatter at idle, revs up quickly, skill req'd for hill starts
-RnR oil pan w/o tranny removal, allows access rear oil pan bolts
Option 3
Lighten 228mm 14-16lbs Flywheel, 228mm G60 pressure plate, & TDI/Vr6 228mm clutch disk, HA/Brickwerks tdi / modified vanagon inut shaft
-uses dv dust shield
-modification to dv bell housing, no clearance issue of dv starter
-will not slip under load going up a hill in 3/4th
-modified transmission input shaft allows real tdi clutch disk
-some clutch chatter at idle, revs up quickly, skill req'd for hill starts
-RnR oil pan w/o tranny removal, allows access rear oil pan bolts
Option 4
Std 228mm 22lbs Flywheel, 228mm G60 pressure plate, & Vanagon 228mm clutch disk
-modified TDI dust shield, custom dust plate
-modification to dv bell housing, clearance issue of dv starter
-will probably not slip under load going up a hill in 3/4th
-factory clutch chatter at idle,
-RnR oil pan req. tranny removal, NO allows access rear oil pan bolts
Option 5- generally assumed to be the most robust option
Std 228mm 22lbs Flywheel, 228mm G60 pressure plate, & & TDI/Vr6 228mm clutch disk, HA/brickwerks tdi / modified vanagon input shaft
-modified TDI dust shield, custom dust plate
-modification to dv bell housing, clearance issue of dv starter
-will not slip under load going up a hill in 3/4th
-factory std clutch chatter at idle,
-RnR oil pan req. tranny removal, NO access rear oil pan bolts
Lightened 14-16lbs Flywheel
-you can also turn the fw down at the local machine shop
& should also send the fw,pp & clutch out for balancing
ECS http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/ES2597295/ES2597295/
Eurospec http://www.mjmautohaus.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1126
AutoTech http://www.autotech.com/product/lightweight-flywheels/10-105-100K.html?fromcat=
Sachs http://shopping.boraparts.com/product_info.php?products_id=119
Input shaft
http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/index.php/t3-parts/t3-...3-tdi.html
http://www.ha-projekt.de/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=61
Modified AHU Dust Plate
http://www.tdi-umbau.com/getriebe-t3/abdeckblech-t3-zum-schwungrad.html
Then with any of these any of these options you can get a starter adapter
from Brickwwerks to mount a real TDI starter
Starter Plate
http://switchamotor.blogspot.ca/2011/07/tdi-starter-for-t25vanagon-adapter.html
http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/index.php/t3-parts/t3-...sions.html _________________ 89 Westy with TDI AHU 1.9 manual lots of mods
85 GL 1.9, auto (for sold)
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17153 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I am running a stock vanagon diesel 1.6 NA flywheel and clutch on my ALH TDI. 25000 miles and no indication the stock diesel clutch is "not" up to the task. Using a stock diesel vanagon starter on a diesel bellhousing. _________________ ☮️
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tclark Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2005 Posts: 926
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Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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rsxsr wrote: |
I am running a stock vanagon diesel 1.6 NA flywheel and clutch on my ALH TDI. 25000 miles and no indication the stock diesel clutch is up to the task. |
So I assume 1.6NA means the 215mm pressure plate/clutch & yup I agree "no indication the stock diesel clutch is up to the task. "
Do you live near any real mountains ? My experience in the BC Rockies
was consistent if we drove up a good sized hill/mt (Hope Princeton hwy, Coquihalla hwy, Stevens Pass North cascades etc ) I put it down to the floor in 3rd or 4th the rpms would rise up no more mph/kph till i backed off, I just learned to live it with the last few years... _________________ 89 Westy with TDI AHU 1.9 manual lots of mods
85 GL 1.9, auto (for sold)
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MarkWard Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Do I live near the mountains? No. I am in Florida, but I have taken the van across this country many times. I spent time crossing the Sierra Nevadas, the Rockies, the Appalachian mountains, the Adernondaks, and the Green Mountains of VT. Our van does very little driving in Florida, only to come and go.
Perhaps I am easy on the clutch. I for sure don't drive it like I stole it. When it starts to slip, I will look into my other options. I don't recall the company, but we used to have heavy duty pressure plates made for reasonable amounts for our VW race cars that had much more clamping force, but fit the stock flywheel.
On the race cars we found that smaller diameter discs actually clamped better than larger diameter discs with the same pressure plate and actually shifted better because they had less rotational mass.
I don't know what the disc diameter is, when I did the conversion, I just swapped the existing flywheel, clutch and disc from the 1.6 that was in the Van. _________________ ☮️ |
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TDI-Driver Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2014 Posts: 2 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Dwight at www.HansAutoParts.com said that he's been building M-TDI Pumps for AHU/1Z and ALH Engines for 5 years. They run the pumps on a TDI engine prior to shipping them. They can build pumps with 10mm rotors or larger rotors to add more power. Larger nozzles in the injectors can also help flow more fuel. |
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hans j Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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AKA Prothe. Search for some reviews before you buy!!!!!!! _________________ 1986 Canadian Syncro Westy TDI - 1989 Syncro Single Cab - 2001 Audi S4 - 1981 VW Caddy ABA - 1980 VW Caddy EV - 1973 VW T-181 |
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westyventures Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Just because a pump makes an engine 'run' doesn't necessarily mean it makes any power. |
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zeohsix Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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TDI-Driver wrote: |
Dwight at www.HansAutoParts.com said that he's been building M-TDI Pumps for AHU/1Z and ALH Engines for 5 years. They run the pumps on a TDI engine prior to shipping them. They can build pumps with 10mm rotors or larger rotors to add more power. Larger nozzles in the injectors can also help flow more fuel. |
They also have ALH cranks at a great price.....about $100 for a cast Chinese copy of the forged hardened OEM TDI crank.....JUNK!......it does make a nice door stop.... _________________ I'm Cheap! I'll build that Syncro Westy myself and save money but, my labor is "FREE" especially if I ever go to sell it! One thing is I will know the quality of the parts and labor that went into the build and rest better when I'm actually driving said Westy down the road! |
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BavarianWrench Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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I have a JX 1600 turbo in a stock 87 Syncro. Do I need an adapter to install a late model TDI starter? What is the best set up to go with? |
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syncroserge Samba Member
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steelvisions Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: TDI conversion parts/suppliers list, please add |
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HELP! I am trying to install my 2005 2.0 TDI into a Baja Bug. I am being told by everyone that no one can reprogram the ECU to flash out all the limp mode demons. Can anyone here tell me what I need to do? I would greatly appreciate any help anyone is willing to offer. THANK YOU! |
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AndyBees Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: TDI conversion parts/suppliers list, please add |
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The answer to your question is over in the TDI Club where you posted the same question.
Jimbote gave some pretty good advice there in post #468.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=293577&page=32 _________________ '84 Vanagon Tin-top, ALH TDI. 1989 Tin-top
1983 Air-cool, 225k miles, 180k miles mine. Seven trips to Alaska from 1986 thru 2003. |
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rotaecho Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:47 am Post subject: Re: TDI conversion parts/suppliers list, please add |
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So, I've been looking at the photos between an AHU oil-pump and the DV oil-pump.
Someone was saying the DV oil-pump is better since it's designed for the 50 degree angle, but it looks pretty much the same from my photo comparisons.
I plan on using a windage tray too
Advice here of which is best to go with?
Thanks!
fairweather wrote: |
2. DV oil pan and pick up tube, DV dipstick tube, TDI or DV oil pump
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_________________ -Will
1982 Westfalia mTDI (50deg) aka Betsy Bertha
http://www.tdivanagons.com |
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