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grnerd Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2014 Posts: 65 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:58 am Post subject: "How to keep your Volkswagen alive" Editions |
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I am shopping for a copy of Muir's "How to keep your Volkswagen alive," and I see that there are several different editions out there.
I can't find any information on possible differences between the editions, and have to assume that it truly is publication runs rather than revisions to content that differentiate them all.
Can anyone tell me if I am right or wrong with this assumption? |
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Matt Wilson Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2005 Posts: 2406 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:10 am Post subject: |
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The later editions include more information. They have these really helpful sections at the end of the book for troubleshooting. I think the latest is 19th edition, which I've found very helpful. _________________ 1972 Standard Beetle
1969 Baja Beetle |
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WD-40 Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2006 Posts: 1178 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Yep, Matt is right. If you're buying the book to use it, and not as a collection piece, look for the latest edition you can find. _________________ "The new Volkswagen 1303. We've made so many improvements, they're beginning to show." |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:24 am Post subject: |
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How many VWs do you have?
The later versions get really complicated with all the various Types shuffled together. If you have a Bug, Bus, or Ghia, go for something like the '70 edition (not sure exactly which-- the last one before they added the Types 3 & 4).
If you have more recent models or several different models, the latest is best.
I suppose you could buy the latest, then use a highlighter to block out the models you don't care about.
My view is that the original, clean Muir is simple and gets you going, and does well for the maintenance work. But if you want more sophisticated reading, go for the Bentley instead of a later Muir. That combo covers everything. |
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grnerd Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2014 Posts: 65 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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KTPhil wrote: |
How many VWs do you have?
The later versions get really complicated with all the various Types shuffled together. If you have a Bug, Bus, or Ghia, go for something like the '70 edition (not sure exactly which-- the last one before they added the Types 3 & 4).
If you have more recent models or several different models, the latest is best.
I suppose you could buy the latest, then use a highlighter to block out the models you don't care about.
My view is that the original, clean Muir is simple and gets you going, and does well for the maintenance work. But if you want more sophisticated reading, go for the Bentley instead of a later Muir. That combo covers everything. |
I am working on my first, a 69 Squareback. I bought the Bentleys guide already, and wanted to add this to my library. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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To be honest, the Muir books were never all that great with Type 3 cars. There are errors and omissions, few of which were corrected in the later editions. It's okay for the basics if you are learning about this car. Just be sure to check BOTH books before starting a procedure. In this case, you may as well get the latest edition. It is bound, so you may want to take it to a book binder and have them drill it for a 3-ring binder, and slice off the binding. It will last longer and be easier to use if you do. |
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6T5 square Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2005 Posts: 1081 Location: Dover, DE
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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I miss the spiral bound editions. _________________ John
65 square 1500S (weezer) sold but always on my mind
60 beetle (Ned)
Quoting John Muir -- Open the rear boot. Get out the stool and sit down. Contemplate the air-cooled beauty before you. - How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive -- Step-By-Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot |
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pb_foots Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2010 Posts: 1089 Location: Ben Lomond, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Spiral bound was great for laying on the floor next to where you were working, but fell apart easier with use and abuse.
I have the copy I bought in the 70s on my bookshelf in the house, and a later copy in the garage to get dirty. Honestly I don't use it much, but like having it around when I want a 'dummies guide' type explanation of whatever I'm working on. |
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modernbeat Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2006 Posts: 45 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:18 am Post subject: |
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I've got an early spiral bound copy with some crude, hand drawn illustrations in it. From memory it was illustrated by Muir before Peter came onboard. _________________ Jason McDaniel |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:35 am Post subject: |
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modernbeat wrote: |
I've got an early spiral bound copy with some crude, hand drawn illustrations in it. From memory it was illustrated by Muir before Peter came onboard. |
Got some scans of those drawings?
My earliest version had the thicker-pen drawings that were much less precise than the later thin-line drawings that were more technically accurate. I suspect the former are what you are talking about. They may well be pre-Peter since their style is a little different. Or maybe Peter just used a new pen! |
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grnerd Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2014 Posts: 65 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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pb_foots wrote: |
Spiral bound was great for laying on the floor next to where you were working, but fell apart easier with use and abuse.
I have the copy I bought in the 70s on my bookshelf in the house, and a later copy in the garage to get dirty. Honestly I don't use it much, but like having it around when I want a 'dummies guide' type explanation of whatever I'm working on. |
This is exactly what I want it for. This is my first foray into restoring a car, and the baser the better for me. |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Even the new editions can be spiral bound for a small fee at fed ex kinkos
You want an original? Ck out amazon.com or eBay they sell used. |
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