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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this the gasket set I need to replace the rear axle tube retainer gaskets and o-rings, I noticed there is a bunch of gaskets and I did a quick search and it looks I need to put several of them. How would I know how many I need to put back?
Not sure if this a gasket set for the whole transmission.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-111-398-005

That set will get you some of the gaskets you need, but not all. Between the axle tube flanges and the side covers, you have O-rings. That kit doesn't give you this o-ring.


I see the big one there but I wonder if is in this set im ordering too http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C24-111-598-051-A
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this the gasket set I need to replace the rear axle tube retainer gaskets and o-rings, I noticed there is a bunch of gaskets and I did a quick search and it looks I need to put several of them. How would I know how many I need to put back?
Not sure if this a gasket set for the whole transmission.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-111-398-005

That set will get you some of the gaskets you need, but not all. Between the axle tube flanges and the side covers, you have O-rings. That kit doesn't give you this o-ring.

Tell Rancho you have O-ring flanges on your axle tubes, and ask them to include the right o-rings and the paper gaskets to set the freeplay.


Will do that.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I see the big one there but I wonder if is in this set im ordering too http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C24-111-598-051-A

It's not in that kit either. But you'll need this outer axle bearing seal kit (x2). Ask Rancho for that kit too. Get 4 of them so you have some spares.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I see the big one there but I wonder if is in this set im ordering too http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C24-111-598-051-A

It's not in that kit either. But you'll need this outer axle bearing seal kit (x2). Ask Rancho for that kit too. Get 4 of them so you have some spares.


So u are talking about 2 different seal kits, now im lost Sad?

Do u have a part number of a kit so I can see what you are talking about, I'm a bit lost. I was looking at the parts and gaskets when I removed everything and cant find that o-ring, don't know if there is something different been this car is a 1999 model.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shoot, i'm slow today.
Ok, you are talking about the seal kit I posted (the outer one from the bearing side) im replacing the bearings too,BTW, plus the seal kit from inner side, right?

Which one u said I should ask for extra seals or gaskets, the inner seal kit with o-rings?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Driving that distance (500 miles in one day) could affect my engine due to higher rpm's for such a long drive/time? This worries me a bit as I don't know if the engine can handle it. I would assume yes but since I never owned a beetle I just prefer to ask.

Unless your engine has been trashed and/or modified by someone using the internet for engineering guidance ( Laughing ) there is no reason it can't do everything it could do when new.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides a .82 4th gear there are .77 and .70 ratio available in the aftermarket. And I thing Gene Berg was selling a .68 4th gear.
They would work to lower the RPMs at the speeds you want to travel with the R&P you have.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:
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I see the big one there but I wonder if is in this set im ordering too http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C24-111-598-051-A

It's not in that kit either. But you'll need this outer axle bearing seal kit (x2). Ask Rancho for that kit too. Get 4 of them so you have some spares.


Found this diagram and I only see the paper gaskets and the big o-ring https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/972663.jpg
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a 1600 you DO NOT want a 4.12 with .82 4th gear. You do not have enough HP to turn it and the gap between 3rd & 4th won't be any fun to drive on city streets. Stick with the stock .89 4th gear.

A stock 1600 with a 4.12 R&P gear and a stock .89 4th gear using stock size tires will run 75 MPH for your 8 hour trips.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With a 1600 you DO NOT want a 4.12 with .82 4th gear. You do not have enough HP to turn it and the gap between 3rd & 4th won't be any fun to drive on city streets. Stick with the stock .89 4th gear.

A stock 1600 with a 4.12 R&P gear and a stock .89 4th gear using stock size tires will run 75 MPH for your 8 hour trips.


Thanks for the input, per Bruce suggestion I decided to go the exact way you are suggesting.

Thanks again for the help guys, if it wasn't for your help, probably I would be going 3.88. That its why I love the forums.
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