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Blue Baron
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Blue Baron
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allsidius
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I would really like to hear a curator from the VW museum explain why they try to pass off a VW 38 series car, the oldest known VW in existinence, for a car that was scrapped during testing, 70 years ago. What is really the point in this mumbo-jumbo? Are the real plates for the car not historically significant enough? Not that this is the real deal either, but it does have some parts from the real VW 38/03 that was cut off and grafted into an oval body.
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usariemen
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I would really like to hear a curator from the VW museum explain why they try to pass off a VW 38 series car, the oldest known VW in existinence, for a car that was scrapped during testing, 70 years ago. What is really the point in this mumbo-jumbo? |
I donīt think they spent just a fraction of the time to think about it, that you do.
It is most likely like:
"Oh, we have this old beetle. Wouldnīt it be cool to put one of these period looking number plates on it? Yes, great idea. Letīs take a look on the old pics and choose one of these old plates." Done.
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allsidius
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| allsidius wrote: |
I would really like to hear a curator from the VW museum explain why they try to pass off a VW 38 series car, the oldest known VW in existinence, for a car that was scrapped during testing, 70 years ago. What is really the point in this mumbo-jumbo? |
I donīt think they spent just a fraction of the time to think about it, that you do.
It is most likely like:
"Oh, we have this old beetle. Wouldnīt it be cool to put one of these period looking number plates on it? Yes, great idea. Letīs take a look on the old pics and choose one of these old plates." Done. |
Agreed.
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Blue Baron
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They're only off by one number. 
My complaint is that if they didn't even try to get the plate to look authentic. Comparing the photos, the white space at the ends of the plate is wrong, and the "A" doesn't look right. (The connector bar in the center is too high.)
But man, it's still beautiful, despite our complaints.
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Undis
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Looks like they were not quite sure what plate to use on this car. Here it is before the final restoration pictured with Ferry Porsche sporting plate IIIA 42801 originally used on the grey hardtop car at the cornerstone laying ceremony.
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Undis
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| They're only off by one number. |
43003 and 42802 are off by more than just one number |
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Blue Baron
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Thank you for that.
I've mixed up the V303s with the VW 38s.
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koenigsberg4ever
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None of the "IIIA 42802" plates on the newer pictures are original.
The plates are from a dark age, here in Germany, and for a company who had force-labour at the time it is not that easy to show-off any original "symbols" from that era.
It is easier for someone without the historical connection to stay as original as possible. Like Herr Grundmann for example.
But even he must be careful.
If you have ever visited his collection, you remember that you will be informed not to take pictures within the KdF-section.
Which is due to the fact that it is illegal to show nazi-symbols openly here in Germany. |
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caleb0101
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Another heavily airbrushed publicity shot. Just imagine pulling a trailer with this.
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I don't think this is airbrushed they just never drove it with the trailer attached |
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Undis
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| I don't think this is airbrushed they just never drove it with the trailer attached |
Im sure they must have had the trailer attached to the 03 and drove it on the Autobahn for publicity shots. Considering the light weight of the VW38 it must have been fun driving this setup in crosswinds, though.
As for airbrushing notice all the enhanced lines around the body folds and edges of fenders as well as reflection on the windscreen. It was common in those days to retouch photos before reproduction in print. |
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mandraks
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this trailer would not be my first choice to pull behind a beetle, but say a split will drag a small camping trailer like an Eriba Puck clear across europe. On the flat this should be no issue at all. That is how germany went to Athens, to Rome, to Gibraltar.
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Undis
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Some more pictures of Car VW38/03 with plate IIIA-43003 after its last restoration I that found in my stash.
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Undis
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Some more.
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Undis
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Undis
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Picture of what appears to be pre-restoration interior when compared to the way it looks now.
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Undis
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And here are some pictures I took at Hessisch Oldendorf 2013
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Undis
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Here is an interesting one showing the decklid before last restoration with the correct VW38 raised hump for the license plate light but with a wartime KdF light installed.
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whitewalls
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Great idea a seperate thread for #3!
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this also no.3?
and isn't this no.3 at the Erbach treffen in 1952 as mentioned above by Joerg?
only 14 years old so like said before quite remarkable that VW alrready saw the marketing value. |
Both of those pictures are of the Raffay 1939 car and not VW38/03
Bjoern- did you hear any more news about the Raffay car after the fire? |
Could you maybe clarify a bit more Rich? Why did they call it no. 3 in the first pic? I thougt they continued counting with VW39 and did not start over. And what about the Erbach story does this mean both VW38/03 and VW39/"03" where there or VW38/03 was never there? |
This is the VW38/03 of the Volkswagen museum and not the Raffay car. The Raffay car used to have a similiar billboard on the roof, but it said "I'm the 3rd of one Million" which implies that the picture dates after 1955. By that time the Raffay car was painted in a light color and not updated to an Export version, stil with significant signs of use. The doors were painted with the Raffay logo. Since the Raffay car reappeared to the public you will stumble across this picture sooner or later. It can be found in the book by Ulrich von Pidoll "VW Käfer. Ein Auto schreibt Geschichte".
The same book states that Volkswagen purchased VW38/03 on 7.9.1952 in Erbach at the 100.000km meeting. So the car above is VW 38/03 because the Raffay car hasn't been there. You can see the gap between the rectagular hood corner and the rounded hood. There's another picture that shows the same car at an exhibition of VW Mahag in Munich. That makes sense because VW used the car for promotion and send it through the nation. The Raffay car was discovered in Berlin and remained in Hamburg with the Raffay company which would not have lend it to another dealership. Apart from that the 38 only glove box cases can be seen through the open hood. The picture is on thesamba as well. |
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