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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:47 am    Post subject: Day 47 Reply with quote

No body comments so not sure anyone is following along but anyhoo:

Took all the gutz out of one of the doors yesterday. I found that rather challenging. But hopefully the next door will be easier. I'm most concened with how to get them back together.

Perhaps this weekend I will get some welding gas and try to fill some tiny holes on the pan so I can put a final color on it. I was thinking of using Herculiner on the entire bottom so it will be pretty bullet proof and not as loud but not sure. Anyone have pluses or minuses of putting a coating like that on the bottom?

Monday the body, doors and hoods go off to the media blaster. Using a tip from Samba I used uship. I found a local guy with 29/29 ratings all max number of stars so I figure he's ok. By the time a rent a truck big enough to do it, etc. It will be a reasonable premium to have someone else deal with that hassle.

When it comes back from media blasting it will have epoxy primer on it. Then I have to start doing cancer surgery on it. That kind of scares me. Even though in my day job I cut cancer out all the time Shocked

Still waiting for my tranny back from Benco and my long block to arrive from aircooled.net. But both these vendors will respond to inquiries when I ask for an ETA so both should be here soon. Perhaps by the end of the month. That would be a cool birthday gift.

Not too many pictures worth posting. Anyone can tear down the car. When I start putting it back together again I will try to post more pics.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:00 am    Post subject: I'm following your progress! Reply with quote

I've been following along - i have recently obtained a convertible that needs major work, so very interested in your experiences - I just have no advice for you Very Happy I've been impressed with the work you have done to date.


While i'm replying, did you manage to remove the bolts you broke while removing the bumper shocks? When I attempted to remove the first of the bolts attaching my bumper hangers to the body, the head sheared off. This was despite liberal application of penetration oil, and lack of application of "huge" torque on the bolts. I have been hesitant to continue with the others at this time. I've read that application of heat in the area prior to removal is a good way to help these bolts out, but I am also afraid to apply much heat to a body area.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been watching...you're getting down to the nitty gritty. Hope the rebuild goes okay for you. Welding, like most things, takes practice.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for watching guys....

I think I got all the bumper bolts out. I will double check that. On the door I had to drill out a hinge screw. Drilled the head off, then took the door off, then used a smaller bit than the shaft of the screw and went right down the middle....I think the heat and the torque loosed it and it screwed inward and disappeared into the A Pillar. but at least the threads on the hing mount didn't get buggered.

I have at least one running board bolt broken off in the rocker. I'll try to drill it out like the door, but I have some "nutserts" if that doesnt work or I wreck the threads.

I'm still scratching my head about the stuck screw that is hidden under the vent window rubber. can't really access it from underneath at all.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:56 pm    Post subject: and now for something completely different Reply with quote

First welds. Bought the 135 Eastwood welder. Got some gas and proceeded to weld. Or do something that resembled welding.

I think this area is called the frame horn, it is under the front of the pan - a cross member and near where the body bolts on. There were two holes about the same size. In the first photo I had one kinda filled. In the second I have them both filled and ground down. There were still some nooks and crannies after grinding but they didn't go through because I probed them all with a stiff wire. I dunno. I guess it worked out ok. I was kind of worried about grinding off some of the metal of the pan and making a bigger mess. So thats my first weld.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have the Eastwood 135 welder. It will do a good job for you. very easy to work with. Just experiment with your heat and wire feed settings. You'll get there.

As far as your doors here is some advice, if you plan on using a sound deadener inside the door, like Peal and Seal from Lowes, put that on AFTER you have the guts of the door back in and in place. Space is at a premium inside the door to get all that stuff back to where it belongs.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for that heads up on the sound deadner. I have some RAAM audio stuff. Have to see what's waterproof - its two different products. I don't think you have to cover the inside of the door, just a big square will reduce a lot of noise I think.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:03 pm    Post subject: Forrest goes To the spa for exfoliation Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that is interesting. Can you rotate that?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dwayne1m wrote:
Now that is interesting. Can you rotate that?


haven't really had the chance to try it. but that was the idea. problem is, after I got it all built I discovered the bumper mounts on the car were kinda cancerous so I'm leary of trying it out. Maybe after some welding.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:36 pm    Post subject: Day 50 Reply with quote

While the body's away the pan will play:

Herculiner over masterseries on bottom of pan. I will use satin black masterseries for the frame horns suspension and top surface. I may paint it over the Herculiner as well or add another coat of Herculiner.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good progress Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:40 pm    Post subject: Bushings at the ready Reply with quote

Tomorrow track arms and trailing arms get a bushing and ball joint swap.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:22 pm    Post subject: Exfoliation... Reply with quote

Will that be a chemical peel, or dermabrasion? Lol Smile

In either case, i'd be interested in ballpark cost for you (if you don't mind), and if you're getting other parts done (doors, fenders, hood, deck, bits and bobs) at the same time.

I've got a call out for a chemical strip of a body, fenders, doors, hood and deck lid.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:24 pm    Post subject: Exfoliation... Reply with quote

I just noticed the bed of the truck looks like it's full of parts - i guess you're getting everything done...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:24 pm    Post subject: Two problems Reply with quote

So I can't find anyone to change out these bushings Sad

I heard of people drilling multiple holes in the rubber to get the old one out but I'd still have no way to put new ones in.

Also I was modifying my doghouse air cooler for the Gilmore a/c. I attempted to weld on the block off plate. That was a mistake. Looks like crap now. I was gonna get all the tins powder coated but I think I'll have to use body filler and paint on that welded area.

So overall today wasn't a good vw day for me.

update:

slept on it. thinking of smoothing out the doghouse one way or another and painting with hammered rustoleum to hide the imperfections.

found an "alignment" shop about 20 miles away that can supposedly change out my bushings. we will see.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:15 am    Post subject: should I change out my fuel lines Reply with quote

So a PO decided to "splice in" a piece of rubber hose into one of the fuel lines near the rear access panel. Don't know why they did this. If it was because of a leak, it implies that the lines are probably compromised due to age/rust/whatever and they should be changed out.

I read a few threads here on that and it seems to be a nightmare. There is one thread on doing a FI car, but on that car the bottom of the front frame was removed so it was a sinch to bend and put the lines out the holes on the side of the tunnel. I'd have to accomplish that through the front access panel and the pedal and shifter holes. The idea doesn't thrill me, but hey the car is completely dismantled so if not now, then when?

One of the threads suggested aluminum fuel line as it was very easy to bend into shape. The existing line appears to be 1/4". After reading the threads on fuel lines I was thinking of running a braided steel cable through each tube, try to get them disloged from the three mounting points and pulling them out leaving the cables in place to guide the new fuel lines into place. Then use those stainless tie wraps to attach the fuel line to the other tubes in the tunnel so they don't rattle around. If anyone has any other suggestions let me know please.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learning to weld on finish work isn't good...get some junk metal and practice.. its often best not to do a continuous weld on a repair, its often leads to heat distortion and burn through, practice 'stitch' welding..

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where you deposit weld then move..it takes practice and patience but its the way to get the best results..
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:19 am    Post subject: bumper mount rehab Reply with quote

Decided to do a small job of refurbishing the bumper shocks. the backs have the capture nuts on them and three bolts of the six were snapped off upon removal.

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First I drilled a small pilot hole down the center of each bolt remnant:

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I used progressively larger drill bits to slowly enlarge the opening until there was just a thin layer of original bolt clinging to the threads of the captured nuts:

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using a chisel I tapped the remaining bolt remnants away from the threads sort of collapsing it upon the itself into the hole I drilled. Then I ran a tap through it. Took a new bolt to test it and it screwed in like butter. Painting a bit now, may post some pics of that later.

You may notice an easy out type bit on the drill. Promises to remove stuck bolts. Negative. I've tried it every time I have a stripped or broken screw or bolt and its never worked. Not even once, not even a little. So I just drill the bolt out slowly like I described above. The easiest is when the bolt heats up from drilling, grabs the bit and screws itself all the way through the nut its trapped in. Lucked out with that on the door hinge screw earlier in my thread.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnnypan wrote:
Learning to weld on finish work isn't good...get some junk metal and practice.. its often best not to do a continuous weld on a repair, its often leads to heat distortion and burn through, practice 'stitch' welding..

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where you deposit weld then move..it takes practice and patience but its the way to get the best results..


Practice and patience are hard for me. Sad
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