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beetlenut Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Nice work Dodgy! I think I had sympathetic Kidney pains looking at those photos! Nice to have photos to look back on. Once it's all painted you forget all the work under there!
Keep on rollin! _________________ scrapyards are for quitters
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... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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Dodgy Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 513 Location: Leicester, UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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So, no suprises, I took the 'more work' option.
Split the pattern panel
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Knowing Klokkercrap, the gap between these panels is already rusty from new |
Yep
Pattern panel had no return lip around the inner panel recess, much less stiff, even before taking into account thinner material etc
Overlaid the two panels - both are aligned by the lower edge of the panel and the recess where the frame horn / damper mount fits against the panel.
Check out the different position of the body mount - red shows the position on the pattern part, blue on the original part.
People fit these pattern panels every day - how do they do it? They are so awful to be almost unusable really
Welded together - waiting for body mount to be fitted once in place on the body
Final fit - tacked the panel onto the body before dropping the body back onto the floorpan for final alignment of the body mount.
_________________ '75 1303 (current project) owned since 1989!
'72 Squareback - full resto completed 2008 - now sold
356 Speedster kit, completed 2005 - now sold
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Dodgy Samba Member
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JasonBaker Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2010 Posts: 1642 Location: Cleveland, TN
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Your body work looks great. |
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Volks Wagen Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2013 Posts: 2926 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Dodgy wrote: |
Next job - rusty wing mounting area I think. |
Hope this goes ok for you... mine looked like that and I went digging and had to do the fastening section with a replacement panel, as well as the lower wheel arch and up along about 30cm and in about 5-10, and lower rear quarter and the rear section of the heater channel... and the inner wheel arch at the bottom behind the body mounting bracket, and about a 10x20x20 triangle between the crescent vent and the wheel arch, and then back to the end of the roof drip rail to the engine compartment... The worst bits for me were trying to get the patch panel with the fasteners to fit with the rest of the car, and trying to re-create the 'waistline' on the rear quarter where I'd had to cut the shite out. Beware
Basically, the outlined areas were in various states of fooooked on mine:
EDIT: just went back over your thread... you've been through the mill! I see you've encountered similar areas as I outlined and have fixed a lot of them. I hope this doesn't mean I'll find the same as you as I move forward towards the front of mine... _________________ 1973 1303 with AB-motor - sporadic
reconstruction as time permits, 1986 ex-Bundeswehr Doka - on the road again.
I'm definitely, probably, the worlds greatest lover.
Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
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Dodgy Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 513 Location: Leicester, UK
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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JasonBaker wrote: |
Your body work looks great. |
Thanks, I've just picked up tools & skills over the years by just getting on and doing it - practice makes perfect. Mostly it's being brave enough to try! I've got a few car builds under my belt now, and try to do a better job on each one. Plus having the luxury of time with this build, and less pressure to make do with short-cuts.
Yikes! Well I'm pretty sure that mine's not that bad. There's no sign of rot under the vent (so-called 'death foam') and the rust on the wing mounting face gets more superficial toward the top. I think it was mostly caused by me cleaning back previous rust in this area maybe 20 years ago, and not knowing back then how to prep the panel properly to stop it coming back. Hopefully this time round I'll be able to do a more thorough job! _________________ '75 1303 (current project) owned since 1989!
'72 Squareback - full resto completed 2008 - now sold
356 Speedster kit, completed 2005 - now sold |
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houseofboyd Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2014 Posts: 613 Location: Flatwoods, Ky
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vwkirb Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2007 Posts: 812 Location: Athens, GA
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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The interesting thing about "death foam" is that it does not hold/absorb water. Though it may keep some moisture close to the body.
I honestly think the majority of rust happens because of the wiring harness traveling through the body. It seems more often than not like that side is the damaged one. |
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Volks Wagen Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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vwkirb wrote: |
The interesting thing about "death foam" is that it does not hold/absorb water. Though it may keep some moisture close to the body.
I honestly think the majority of rust happens because of the wiring harness traveling through the body. It seems more often than not like that side is the damaged one. |
Like 'wet' electrons or something? _________________ 1973 1303 with AB-motor - sporadic
reconstruction as time permits, 1986 ex-Bundeswehr Doka - on the road again.
I'm definitely, probably, the worlds greatest lover.
Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
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vwkirb Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Something like that, haha. I think if there is a leak water sticks around the harness. The rust on my car runs perfectly along that line. The foam itself is hydrophobic. |
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Dodgy Samba Member
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beetlenut Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2009 Posts: 2980 Location: RI
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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vwkirb wrote: |
Something like that, haha. I think if there is a leak water sticks around the harness. The rust on my car runs perfectly along that line. The foam itself is hydrophobic. |
Mine was a little higher up on the rain gutter. The problem was that they used open-cell foam which did retain water. _________________ scrapyards are for quitters
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Wetstuff wrote: |
... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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Dodgy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Lower wing mounting area is now patched. I pressed recesses around each captive nut location in the replacement panel so it looks more factory and better matches the other holes that don't need repair. Another area that no-one but me will see!
Cut out the other thin / holed area, what's hiding behind the 'death foam'?
Wiring harness buried under the foam, I managed to miss it when cutting out the panel - phew!
And... NO RUST!
This is as bad as it gets on the inner panel, very superficial and localised
And about the same on the outer panel. Mostly the factory paint is still in place (photo is looking up into the access hole)
Once this access hole is patched up, that's the entire LH rear quarter complete! I'll call that a significant milestone! _________________ '75 1303 (current project) owned since 1989!
'72 Squareback - full resto completed 2008 - now sold
356 Speedster kit, completed 2005 - now sold
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beetlenut Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Another bullet dodged by not having much rust in that rust-prone area. Nice to have a whole section finally finished. When you find other areas of the car that are rusted through, it's always good to have a section of the car that's finished to look back on, to spur you on! _________________ scrapyards are for quitters
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Wetstuff wrote: |
... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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Dodgy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Hurrah! Some significant progress!
Final patch on the LH rear quarter welded in, cleaned up and covered with temporary primer (garage can be a bit damp at times, and it'll be a while before I'm properly preparing the body for paint, this is just to keep rust at bay until then)
Body off the pan again... How many times does a body normally go on & off the pan during a rebuild??? Never mind, I've got a couple of pulley systems rigged up now, and not all bolts to remove. Probably takes less than half an hour, working on my own.
Back to the LH front quarter. Now the bulkhead is complete and heater channel fully welded in, I could refit the corner reinforcement bracket. Plug welded in place as originally done by VW
And after that was fitted, once the box section in the inner wing had an internal coat of paint over the welds, I could finally fit the patch for the inner wing I made 15 months ago
Welds ground smooth & blended, coat of primer - looking good!
Feels like suddenly that's a LOT of progress all at once.
Just have to make up a small repair to rebuild the rear edge of the suspension tower reinforcement, then all the welding on the LH side of the body is complete _________________ '75 1303 (current project) owned since 1989!
'72 Squareback - full resto completed 2008 - now sold
356 Speedster kit, completed 2005 - now sold |
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Volks Wagen Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Dodgy wrote: |
Once this access hole is patched up, that's the entire LH rear quarter complete! I'll cann that a significant milestone! |
Good stuff. Did you treat that little bit of rust up there on the outer panel somehow? I cut most mine out because it was worse, but treated little areas like that with rust converter and paint.. just wondering have you found a magic spray or something that would help in the tight areas? _________________ 1973 1303 with AB-motor - sporadic
reconstruction as time permits, 1986 ex-Bundeswehr Doka - on the road again.
I'm definitely, probably, the worlds greatest lover.
Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
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Dodgy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Volks Wagen wrote: |
Did you treat that little bit of rust up there on the outer panel somehow? I cut most mine out because it was worse, but treated little areas like that with rust converter and paint.. just wondering have you found a magic spray or something that would help in the tight areas? |
No I didn't, but when all the work on the body & pan is complete I'll get one - or a few - of the internal chassis coating sprays, the kind with a long flexible wand that spray 360° (sort of) and go over all the closed sections. I'm building a list of areas... Places like the heater channels and box section at the front of the body will need coating too, where welding will have burnt off the paint inside.
The rust on the outer panel shown in the photo was so superficial - I figure if it's taken 40 years to get [not very] bad, when the car spent most of that time used daily and kept outdoors, it'll take another 40 years to get any worse, with the car molly-coddled rather a lot more
How I've got away without any rust in this area, even living in a country with fairly high humidity / unkind environment for old cars, when others have had very serious rust issues, I don't know. But I'm not complaining...! _________________ '75 1303 (current project) owned since 1989!
'72 Squareback - full resto completed 2008 - now sold
356 Speedster kit, completed 2005 - now sold |
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Dodgy Samba Member
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beetlenut Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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I swear we bought the same car, lol! Nice to know I have company in the "Why didn't you send that to the scrap yard" club! At least you'll know you have solid steel under you for the next 40 years.
My RH rear crossmember:
Keep up the great work, you've passed the half way mark, and it's all down hill from here!
Bill _________________ scrapyards are for quitters
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Wetstuff wrote: |
... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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Dubmatix Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2010 Posts: 12 Location: Nottingham, UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Great work! It's good to see another big 1303 rebuild and one with such good quality work too, i need to up my game! I too am annoyed by the poor pattern panels and as such decided to do extensive repairs to my n/s floorpan as i wasn't happy with the complete o/s one i fitted 14 years ago.
Part way through my 75 shell reworks, I ended up picking up a 73 shell despite being very attched to my original 75 1303, but have resolved to revert it to 75 spec.
The boot floor additional channel you noted and removed (i thought about removing mine but grudgingly left it in in the whole floor panel i had) was for the wiring loom on mex cars. They ran it out through a 2" grommet in the rear bulkhead i think as i had to make a disk to weld up the hole.
My wiki i have been keeping for my own sanity and motivation is here :
http://www.thebughaus.co.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=bonita
Keep up the build thread, it is good to see others resolving similar problems and helps to keep up motivated.
John _________________ The Emergency VW Group Forum
1303 RestoBlog
1303/Latebug parts for sale and '03 shell soon to be available for cuts
Wanted: 1302/3 Front Valence (VW panel new or used in good order) and 3 point seat side plastics
1x NOS Decklid Thermostat and Vent Flaps left FOR SALE |
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