Author |
Message |
johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
|
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: Oval Horn ring, what am I missing? |
|
|
I tried to install an oval ('56-'59 wheel) horn ring that I have had for many years, in my '57 today, and I think I am missing some parts. I had assumed that I would just use my existing horn button center, but it appears to be about 2mm too big. And the chrome retainer/surround form my existing horn button is too big too. The ring surround fits inside the existing ring (see pics).
I've never been an accessories guy, but I finally stripped this ring and repainted it and figured I would put it in my '57. What am I missing here? I actually am not even sure how to put it back together, what goes in what order. Is there a drawing/diag online somewhere?
Thanks for any help...
_________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
|
Back to top |
|
|
RareAir Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14576 Location: 18 miles North of the border
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
stale air Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2007 Posts: 5151 Location: Senoia Ga, formally NorCal
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
|
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks, I think I have an early horn button center.
But still not sure how it goes back together. Is there and exploded view anywhere? Do I have all the parts or is there a spring/buffer missing? Anyone have pics of a complete one/parts they can post?
Thanks
JH _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
|
Back to top |
|
|
RareAir Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14576 Location: 18 miles North of the border
|
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
That ring never used a spring assembly. Instead it came with a weired looking piece of rubber, shaped sort of like a top hat. I'll look for a pic, or atleast take a pic of the ones I have. _________________ 1947 Typ 11a
1954 Typ 117
1956 Typ 151
1959 Typ 117
1959 Typ 265
1961 356B
1966 Typ 151
1966 Typ 241 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
RareAir Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14576 Location: 18 miles North of the border
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
|
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks! _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
|
Back to top |
|
|
eurodub Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 1321
|
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
you can get the inner push piece from a horn button like this : http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1045384
i had exactly the same button on my original unrestored petri steering wheel
(the rometch "dots"version that is reproduced now)
i can even trade you a center push putton just like the one in the original ad for an ivory split horn push button in good condition _________________ 1960 1200 model 117 deluxe ragtop
1974 T2 Westfalia Campmobile
1976 MK1 Golf |
|
Back to top |
|
|
johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
|
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
RareAir wrote: |
Try the Chrome bezel & button from a 1950-55 Beetle. Smaller in diameter & fits perfectly. |
No, the split early oval button centers are actually bigger.
Still looking for something I can use. Will this work?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1155635 _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
|
Back to top |
|
|
stale air Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2007 Posts: 5151 Location: Senoia Ga, formally NorCal
|
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
johnshenry wrote: |
Still looking for something I can use.
|
I just put one in my 58 a couple of weeks ago. The original horn button, and chrome ring from a 56-59 wheel will work, but the ring is a tight fit.
It may need a slight tweak to get it in. I didnt have the rubber horn push, so I used a batwing wheel horn spring, and it works just fine.
Here is a pic of it...
_________________ WANTED: Henry Veale Santa Rosa plate frames
WANTED: Brittsan Motors Fresno plate frames
WANTED: Any Georgia plate frames
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
|
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
There is NO WAY my '56-'59 button will fit in my ring. I wonder if your ring is different than mine.
Your looks great BTW, my '57 is Diamond Green also.... _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
|
Back to top |
|
|
stale air Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2007 Posts: 5151 Location: Senoia Ga, formally NorCal
|
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Just curious, what is the ring inside of the ring in this pic? Are you trying to use it as well?
_________________ WANTED: Henry Veale Santa Rosa plate frames
WANTED: Brittsan Motors Fresno plate frames
WANTED: Any Georgia plate frames
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
|
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The ring on the inside is the ring for my Petri, the outside ring is the one from my '56-'59 button. I just put one inside the other to show the difference in size. _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
|
Back to top |
|
|
stale air Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2007 Posts: 5151 Location: Senoia Ga, formally NorCal
|
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
And you are using that ring as well? I dont have a ring like that on mine. _________________ WANTED: Henry Veale Santa Rosa plate frames
WANTED: Brittsan Motors Fresno plate frames
WANTED: Any Georgia plate frames
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
|
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
stale air wrote: |
And you are using that ring as well? I dont have a ring like that on mine. |
Which ring?
The ring that came with my horn ring fits (the chrome is poor) and the smaller one. But my button center does not fit into it.
The ring from my original '56-'59 button does not fit in the horn ring. _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
|
Back to top |
|
|
johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
|
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Well when buffing out the one horn button I had that did fit in the Petri chrome ring I noticed that it actually is an oval button that some did a hack job grinding down to make it fit....
I have a couple more really nice oval buttons and now want to design a fixture that can grip the button from the backside recess and allow me to turn it down evenly....... _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Suboval Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2003 Posts: 794
|
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
Here are some pictures of a disassembled Petri horn ring for 56-59 steering wheels.
Three new black shrink tube pieces - McMaster-Carr 2595K25 (http://www.mcmaster.com/#shrink-tubing/=l39rc8 on the three posts.
New gaskets cut for assembly. The bottom gasket is 1/16" cork - 9487K1. The top gasket is 3/32" cork - 9487K2. (http://www.mcmaster.com/#cork-gasket-sheets/=l39t5g).
Cork pieces were cut OD 1 5/8", ID 7/8".
Installed 1/6" cork.
Glued 3/32" strips to brass center piece. This helps center the center piece and keeps it from grounding out - completing the circuit for you horn.
What is left of original cork insulator. Most of it has disintegrated and was found in the bottom piece.
What is left of original cork insulator. Most of it has disintegrated and was found in the bottom piece.
Assembled with new shrink tube and cork. BTW, don't cover up the hole on the right side of the pieces durring assembly. This hole is usedfor removing the horn button.
I hope this helps. _________________ It all works on paper.
There's two things we learn from history:
1.) History repeats itself.
2.) We don't learn from history. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
tiagomigueldefreitas Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2013 Posts: 2 Location: Madeira, Portugal
|
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
RareAir wrote: |
Here you go-
|
CAN YOU POST THE IMAGE AGAIAN? THANKS |
|
Back to top |
|
|
stale air Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2007 Posts: 5151 Location: Senoia Ga, formally NorCal
|
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
tiagomigueldefreitas wrote: |
RareAir wrote: |
Here you go-
|
CAN YOU POST THE IMAGE AGAIAN? THANKS |
In the pic to the right of the ring...
_________________ WANTED: Henry Veale Santa Rosa plate frames
WANTED: Brittsan Motors Fresno plate frames
WANTED: Any Georgia plate frames
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
villemi Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2008 Posts: 166
|
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
What is the metal of the full circle horn ring ?
Aluminium ? ZAMAK ?
It's very important for chroming |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|