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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Good to know you're still at it!! A stock 1600 in a buggy will be awesome. It'll require low maintenance and have plenty of pep too.

That spare transmission is not easily swapped into an early chassis like yours BUT you can always sell it and apply the profits to the buggy.


So question... if a family friend has a rebuild kit for a 1600cc engine and wants $200 for it would I be stupid not to pick it up? Has 85.5mm pistons and heads, gaskets for the engine, push rods, tubes, the works. Did some research and all i've been able to find says that theres no way of telling if it will work unless you actually have the engine completely torn apart, but I haven't even gotten to that yet because I've been working on the pan... Thoughts?


That sounds like a good deal but don't think about fitting it to anything but a bottom end with factory spec endfloat, good oil pressure etc. or it won't last long. A 1600 dp motor with something like dual 34 ict Webers or similar and a 4 into 1 exhaust makes for a nice little buggy motor.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like a good deal but don't think about fitting it to anything but a bottom end with factory spec endfloat, good oil pressure etc. or it won't last long. A 1600 dp motor with something like dual 34 ict Webers or similar and a 4 into 1 exhaust makes for a nice little buggy motor.[/quote]

What do you mean factory spec endfloat? This is my first build so still learning, have been looking into dual carbs but I'm on a little bit of a tight budget, have a 4 to 1 exhaust but I'm looking more at keeping the dual exhaust it came with originally from Empi more for looKs than anything
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well looks like im back to square one lol, after finally getting the engine torn down one of the studs for piston number 3 looks like it was redrilled, and Really deep, basically theres a long stud in where theres supposed to be a short stud, the engine appears to have been run out of oil because we literally had to cut the cylinders off, and after discovering its a dual relief case after doing some research it looks like someone rebuilt it and also fubar'd that as well, two different springs, and the same metal end for each spring? both are a solid piece instead of one solid and one with a kinda Tshaped groove. Cant tell if thats what caused it to burn up or if the stud was possibly drilled and inserted too deep and possibly plugged an oil port, the crank is good though if anyones interested lol
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The deep stud on #3 is normal. It was done by the factory to help prevent cracking of the block in that area. The springs and ends, are you talking about the oil pressure and relief system?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah for the dual relief system, is it normal for the stud to have wiggle room? like half an inch where it can move around?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your dual relief case will have two different spring lengths...

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Deep stud on #3 cylinder should not wiggle around, should be solid like all others.... may need special attention...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heres what I have, I guess whats confusing me is like the picture Dale posted mine has two solid lil caps instead of a solid and a Tshaped one like I see everywhere else... and the hole that looks like it was drilled bigger... not sure about deeper but the stud as you can see is the same length as the long ones when it's supposed to be a short one... wondering if I should just start over and look for a new case/engine..

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All looks correct to me. Where the # 3 top stud is sunk in the case, the long stud does bend to make it look like it is loose. The front relief spring is shorter in stock form. VW used two different type of plungers for the relief's, you have the later style.

You have a good late model case to build a nice engine with.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

awesome thanks! it looked like the stud was drilled out because the hole was so much larger than the other ones, but if thats how its supposed to be I guess itll work fine, it was run out of oil and we werent sure if that stud was drilled in later or what, was more concerned if it had been drilled if it hit an oil port or something but that makes me feel a lot better, Thanks! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a rebuilt 1600dp in my buggy but have 1776 pistons waiting to go in. I would have bought the 1681 (or something like that pistons form ac.net) if I was doing a stock build again. They are much stronger cases than the 1641 and would just give the engine that little more that it needs.

One day I will try dual carbs but never any single except the 34 pict 3. I like to spend time driving the buggy and AC engines require attention so best to keep them simple as possible.

I dont like the idea of going over 1776 as I dont run any extra oil coolers and its always over 70 degrees here.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took me a while to remember to go take pictures but you guys are gonna love this.. heres the heads from that engine.. I think I may need new ones... which sorry for so many questions.. would any old dual port head work? Did some research and all I found was a few threads saying there's different numbers for different case styles like type 1, 2, etc. but nothing about if the numbers had to match up for another type1. Thanks in advance and sorry for the stupid questions

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only DP heads you would want to stay away from are the late model fuel injected heads with really small valves and big exhaust valve stems. They work but restrict power. ^^^^^Those heads look pretty tough!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alright thanks! I wasn't sure if the stamped numbers really meant anything or not... and yeah... we think 1 and 2 were on fire at some point in their life but we're not sure exactly what happened, just that they're full of ash lol
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