EMPI Stub Axle Breaks !!

Iguana · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:34 pm Post subject: EMPI Stub Axle Breaks !!

Well it seems my opinion of what Empi Parts I can and can't use is growing each time I go out and Play. I went out to the desert on Sunday with a mate for a quick spin. 15 miles in he did a U-turn and had a small issue with his Empi Stub Axle...

Judging by the feedback I have been getting this is becoming a very common occurrence.

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At least I know my caliber brackets holds up to side force Shocked

Axle was a clean break just in side the carrier. Until that happened we were having a great time lol. These axles had maybe 300 miles on them and this was their first time in the Desert.

Should have had a spare, oh well live and learn.

Letterman7 · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:37 am Post subject:

Well... doesn't that just suck. One would think there would be a US company that could mill decent ones, even if the price were a little higher. Any machine shops in your area?

GS guy · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:49 am Post subject:

Precision Alloy:
http://precisionalloy.com/

Top quality, USA made. They modified a set of 944 stubs to accept T2 CVs for me some years back, excellent quality work.
Jeff
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Tom_Kathleen · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:24 am Post subject:

When we 1st converted Kathleen's Manxter to Subaru power and it still had VW IRS rear suspension, I used EMPI 930 stub axles. Every year (or less) I would have to retighten the axle nut because the rotor was slightly loose and making funny noises when you hit the brakes. Ended up finding original VW stub axles that had the type 1 cv flange cut off and a 930 flange welded on. I think the EMPI stub axle was stretching. End of problem. Tom
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joescoolcustoms · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:50 am Post subject:

herkster · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:54 am Post subject:

I will be running...(on road) the type 2 cvs...not quite as strong as 930 im sure but has to be better than type 1. Bad news is that they are empi build.

subhuman · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:57 am Post subject:

one word explains your problem, EMPI! Mad

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joescoolcustoms · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:00 am Post subject:

nightmanx11 · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:55 am Post subject:

I am beginning to think that when I managed to pull an EMPI stub axle apart at MOTB 2013, it was not a fluke. Seems like there is a pattern develping with these stub axles.

There is a very good thread on this subject and about the possible cure on another forum.

goto: http://rbcdunebuggy.yuku.com/topic/3801/Bad-Empi-Stub-Axles#.VGtrnvnF-So

Joe

scotth17 · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:18 am Post subject:

Did you get an engineer to help you tighten the axle nut?

Tom_Kathleen · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:21 pm Post subject:

scotth17 - I am only a (retired) Manufacturing Engineer. LOL Since I replaced the EMPI stub axle with OG VW (sort of) parts, no issue, same way tightening the nut. Yes I did read that other thread. Tom
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subhuman · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:29 pm Post subject:

mark tucker · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:22 pm Post subject:

might be some not so what it should be stuff coming out of empis drive line line.Ive always heard that stuff was pretty good. might need to look for some old stock. could of been a tool change leaving a sharpe corrner or improper heat treetment or not quite the right aloy of steel...or all 4. Shocked

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Iguana · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:54 pm Post subject:

Dale M. · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:21 am Post subject:

Dale M. · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:23 am Post subject:

sandhopper · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:09 am Post subject: stub axel

My friend builds the ones that are listed in the RBC forum
Not sure what price he gets for them now , but if anyone wants
let me know and I will find out
He needs cores

Tom_Kathleen · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:50 am Post subject:

sandhopper - I need 2 of these made up and I can supply cores. Tom
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Manxter #16, 1968 Meyers Manx & Kick-Out SS #16 (WIP)
Manx Club & CVA

herkster · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:27 pm Post subject:

I'd take two with type two cv.... Please let me know price

Iguana · Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:54 pm Post subject:

After a less than stellar response from Empi I have continued to follow this up and the results are far from good for Empi.

I have spoken to a number of people who have had issues and got a fresh Empi Stub Axle tested to see what its hardness was like. Short answer was that its consistency is way off and the hardness varies significantly from spline to bell.

I am going to get the one that broke tested now and see if it is the same and they all suck or if it was just a bad bunch but at least we have a bench mark.


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