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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolls Royce used to bury the new engine blocks & heads & let them"season" before using them. I worked with a guy that said you never saw a clean part to machine when he worked for the factory.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:31 pm    Post subject: Get Back On That Horse! Reply with quote

Car falls off of the stands... Probletunity!
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Big thanks to Per for selling me his NOS fasty apron.

Going to get that old bent apron out of the way, and start mockng up the rear mount, and tin, and...
At least when i get some time... Embarassed

Took six weeks, and i have to go and work some more to pay the thing off...

The thing was triple-boxed, and the box used to hold an Aprilia.
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How cool is that?
Warm regards from the USA to Europe.. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresh sheet metal is always good to have Cool
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I´m happy you received the apron at last.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clatter, you should make some profile templates (maybe you already were planning it). It could help yourself and others in the future.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's a really cool piece.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we found the lost parts pile. Nice collection of bits. 68vwfasty is spot on. I am not sure on feasibility but some profile templates of these nos parts would be a great plan.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice collection of parts. Cool Is that middle left piece for a T-34? Just asking, as I don't think I've ever seen that part (front wall of the engine surround) used on earlier type 3s. T-34's yes, but not ealier T-3s.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Very nice collection of parts. Cool Is that middle left piece for a T-34? Just asking, as I don't think I've ever seen that part (front wall of the engine surround) used on earlier type 3s. T-34's yes, but not ealier T-3s.

I think they are the same for the earliest cars. My 62 Notch has at least a similar part. Will check next time I'm in my workshop.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That rear apron is sweet man! I think you'll be ok with removing the hurt one off. Not sure if a fasty has that continuous seam weld all the way across that makes up for the bottom metal portion of the air duct - hopefully not. I'm sure you can get that piece tucked in place as you have the front. Stick with it man!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the heads up on the cylinders. I will check out the three sets I have here when I get back from Cali.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monte,

The fastback does indeed have a continuous weld all along the length of the bottom of the rear air duct area, not spot-welding.
Unfortunately, that likely means the apron that is on the car will be destroyed during its removal.
Which is too bad, because once the apron is off of the car, and onto your lap or a workbench, it is easier/possible to work back into shape.

Anyhow,
I'm at least reading up on the subject if not actually doing anything. Smile
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The Junk Parts Motor build on the STF has been taking up all of my time lately.
But, it's almost done.
(I'm sure you all have been following it to the letter! Laughing )
Something that it will be useful for is setting up the heater boxes on my 'small' motor (2056).
The small motor will use heater boxes - 72-74 bus, specifically. They were shown during our sandblasting exercise months earlier.
Knowing that foul creatures might lurk within, they were opened up for a cleaning.
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Good thing. The oil sludge was 3/8" thick or better in some places.
Burning that stuff off and pumping it into the passenger compartment?
Yum-Me! Gimme some of that! Rolling Eyes

Can't believe I ran these for all of those years without ever cleaning a set out before.
It was easy to get them apart by drilling a few spot welds.
There were a few rusty areas to be welded up anyway.
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They even show how to open them up in the Bentley manual! Doh!

Look at this mess.
This is after a session in both the soak tank and a water/citrus parts washer.
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On the left is an insulation/woven/asbestos/rope/mesh that had soaked up oil for half a century.
Even after soaking, it was disintegrating except for where it was embedded in burned sludge.
On the right is thin metal heat-shielding that is needed to keep the insulation in place.
On one side the bottom looked different than the rest.
kind of a metal screen.
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I'm trying to find a replacement for the insulation, and have some stuff on the way that looks good.
The rusty spots will get patched, everything blasted clean, and the new insulation in place, all in bare metal.
Then, it will get loaded up onto the Cheap Junk bus motor for a test-fire.
We will get to see if the new insulation melts and fries as the motor is run-in on the stand.
I'm not really that excited to paint anything inside the heaters anywhere, as almost anything is likely to burn off into the compartment.
Even if it means some early rusting...

So, some stuff has been done.
The Junk motor will be useful as a testing device for some Fastback parts!
And, make more room to work.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can buy ceramic coatings to apply yourself with a HF detail gun. I'd use it before going bare metal.

http://www.techlinecoatings.com/hi-performance/bs-exhaust-system-coatings.html

It isn't anything like rattle can VHT.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:14 pm    Post subject: Dumb Details Reply with quote

So, the Cheap Junk 1971 project is winding down.
I'm kind of over it by now...

Looking forward to getting back on track with this project!

First, the 'profile gauge' showed up from Eastwood.
Got to get off my lazy ass and make y'all up some templates.
My contribution to our apron dilemma - a set of templates made out of poster board;
For use along measured intervals, to get any bent aprons right again...

The kids just love playing with this new toy...
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Also got some M5 rod and a left-hand tap to make the CSP throttle linkage work with the low/wide 'T4-into-T3' manifolds.
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My helper is assisting with the creation of new insulation pads for the heater-box rebuild project.
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The junk bus motor shown on the STF will be used to test the new insualtion product from company Thermal Zero on the run stand.
Hopefully, when the motor is run, the new insulation won't burn off and stink.
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Anyhow, progress is progress, right?
Even if it's not actually, er, progress... Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, progress IS progress, even if you can't see it. There's always a bunch of little behind the scenes stuff going on with a project (or projects) that nobody sees, or isn't documented, but are still little pieces of the project (needed parts). Wink Keep at it, you're gaining on it.

P.S. I've been following "Cheap Junk", and you've made a lot of progress on that project. I've even learned a little bit from it, so I've been following it along more closely (just haven't posted any comments to the thread yet).
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey buddy, good to see you made some good progress. Love that apron. If you sell off the one from my old fasty put it into beer for that fridge, I need to come over and drink some!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

suruba wrote:
hey buddy, good to see you made some good progress. Love that apron. If you sell off the one from my old fasty put it into beer for that fridge, I need to come over and drink some!

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I'm coming back to the states in July, we need to have a Fasty-fest. ...with only the finest craft brew of course.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brent wrote:
You can buy ceramic coatings to apply yourself with a HF detail gun. I'd use it before going bare metal.

http://www.techlinecoatings.com/hi-performance/bs-exhaust-system-coatings.html

It isn't anything like rattle can VHT.


Tried to get ahold of them, and fill out the form to get listed a business and whatnot, but never heard back.

Rumor has it that Eastwood is reselling the Techline stuff.

The package sizes and prices seem similar....?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I fell off onto the 2nd page of the forum once again.
Slacking...

FWIW, the Cheap Junk 1971 has made some progress,
and a lot of it spills over onto my Fastback here.

Shameless Plug ---> http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=145853&sid=dda6bc92122fb91c54ee131b52bd22b3

Take for example the throttle linkage, carbs, and heater boxes..

This leads me to start mocking things up heater-wise.
Here the 72-74 bus heater boxes, and the Type 3 heater hoses, seem to want to just fit together like lovers in heat...
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Stripped down the heater hose-to-body mounting parts.
The thermostat pieces won't be used, so I wanted to remove them.
They didn't want to come apart... Anybody know the trick here?
Hate to just mangle them...
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Check out the insulation on those parts.
This was wrapped on the outside.
It's the same woven (asbestos?) stuff that's inside those bus heater boxes I took apart..!
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Got me some banjo fittings from Pierce Manifold.
Will hopefully get some blingbling metric-to-AN fittings in the future.
These were all I could find - Some for a pair of carbs mounted in-line.
I needed these now in order to plumb up some rubber hoses for test-stand fire-off purposes.
They should work for that.
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Then, I started back in on mocking things up.
That rear mount, I started looking at it.
Staring... Drinking beer....

Seemed like it might not work like I was thinking,
So it got taken apart.
I had some help.
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That Vanagon rear motor mount hanger bar might not clear the 72-74 heater boxes, huh?
Vanagons have that '79 CA-style oddball heater box arrangement.. Over on one side..

The bar is straight, not curved, too, which is good, actually, for the conversion.
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But, alas, it is true... The Vanagon bar fouls the early heaters.
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The early fan shroud even conflicts.
This would be easy to rectify by taking out this rib, here, though.
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So, Dead 914 to the rescue!
(either that or 912E, can't remember...Anybody know where this came from?)
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It clears the one heater box.
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But not the other.
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Should be easy enough to bend things a bit to make it work, though.
Maybe a spacer, or maybe some clearancing of the one heater box..?

Lastly, I laid this blue rear hanger bar on it.
To stare at it, drink beer and think.
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Maybe this one is the 912E?
or 914?
Anybody know?
The two bottom middle mount bolts are different spacing than the other.
So I dunno, maybe something will come to me.

Anyone got any ideas here??
Looks like that first straight bar would actually work well.
Maybe?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The blue, heavy, cast bar on top is '73-on Porsche 914-4 (for a side-shift car). The black one on the motor is from a'70-'72 Porsche 914-4 for a tail-shift car).

Standard '72-'79 Bus bars work fine, just make some solid mounts for the big motor and use rubber Porsche mounts on the ends to mate-up with your late type3 mounts on the body.

Looking good. Early bus H/E are perfect for a type3. A little heavy, but they put out some serious heat even in the coldest weather and make for a toasty interior. When temps were in the 20s here, I would still crack my wing window to vent some out.
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