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Luftgekült
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 Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:11 pm Post subject: window winder mistery |
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Hi,
I bought a new regulator which is suposed to fit beetles from 68 to 74. Mine is a 1972 super.
Part number of the new regulator is 111837501H but the old one was 111837501J.
When I tried to install the new one, bolts didn't align the the holes in the door for about 1cm.
Comparing old versus new you can see that in fact one is shorter than the other, and bolts do not align.
I borrowed another regulator from a friend's 1970 beetle and it fits (part number ending in J)
So, what's happening here?  Only one type of regulator is supposed to fit all bugs 68_74.....
Thanks!!!!!
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Joel
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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MYSTERY solved!
Dave |
Dont jump to that conclusion too quickly, its not unusual for bugs after 4+ decades to have doors off other cars fitted.
There was 4 different winder mechs after fatchicks started in 68.
A classic example was a 74 bug I picked up a few weeks ago nothing was out if the ordinary till I took the door panels off and the drivers door was off a 76 with the different winder mech but passenger door was original with the stock 111837501H winder mech.
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Luftgekült
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:10 am Post subject: |
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the new regulator was bough through the Volkswagen Classic Parts Centre of Germany and came nicely packed with the OEM VW/audi/SEAT/Skoda stuff, so quality shouldn't be a problem.
what is strange is that the new part wont fit my buddy's '70 nor my '72.
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Would be interesting to cross reference it with ETKA
I'll have to check the rest of my Golde winder stash but what I have here is G is the twin lift 68, J is the 73-74 with the flexible tube on the end and K is the 75 and later with different lower mount.
Will have to see if any of my 69-72 ones are H.
I'm suspecting the H is the 69-72 with the solid metal end tube which also make sense as that was the winder between G and J but it should have the same bolt holes.
I'm sure the winder mechs from my 71 Super are the ones I modified for my power windows and they fit fine in my 74 doors.
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Thanks for the feedback
ETKA is of no use when it came to older beetles. It shows only two part numbers since WWII. The H for all beetles except the very late which are K....
My J has all metal tube
The H I purchase from VW has plastic tube and is a little shorter from winder gear to window rail
K is for 75 and later.
i wonder what´s the difference between H and K, and if my J is interchangeable with a K instead of H.
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Volks Wagen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| djkeev wrote: |
MYSTERY solved!
Dave |
Dont jump to that conclusion too quickly, its not unusual for bugs after 4+ decades to have doors off other cars fitted.
There was 4 different winder mechs after fatchicks started in 68.
A classic example was a 74 bug I picked up a few weeks ago nothing was out if the ordinary till I took the door panels off and the drivers door was off a 76 with the different winder mech but passenger door was original with the stock 111837501H winder mech. |
Yeah, part swapping was my first thought but he says that his buddies regulator fits fine, that throws his repop specs into serious question.
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But his buddies regulator was a J like his old one. The one he bought is a H and that doesn't fit. Odd though cos I thought the Spanish 'J' was pronounced like the English 'H' - as in Jose/Hosay, maybe that's part of the confusion.
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But his buddies regulator was a J like his old one. The one he bought is a H and that doesn't fit. Odd though cos I thought the Spanish 'J' was pronounced like the English 'H' - as in Jose/Hosay, maybe that's part of the confusion. |
You're kidding, right?
Wolfsburgwest regulator should fit but 97$ shipping to my house is too much...
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I dug through my stash and found an original Golde H and J and the mounts are identical on both, really the only difference is the H was the early style with the metal tube all the way.
THe J does have a slotted hole for the lower mount but they mount up the same aside from that.
(1 and 2 number on the end is just left and right)
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| You're kidding, right? |
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Djkeev you were right. Although ordered through VW it is not an original,part but a "highest quality made in germany reproduction". I didn't even know that they sell reproductions as well as genuine vw parts.
Joel, thank you very much for checking that for me.
I am going to try to straighten the tube to gain a couple cm...
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I hope that I'm not the only one that finds it disturbing that parts sold by VW through their VW classic parts program are really no better than the Chinese crap sold by CIP1 or other similar after market retailer????
This tells me that VW is still maintaining their F U attitude toward Air Cooled owners!
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Well TBH, I think the Classic Parts program is an low-funded low staffed project that is there for PR. I've searched their stock several times and there's more keychains and ties and shite there than real parts it seems. More like a spinoff from the museum if you ask me - another PR jobbie.
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