Black Fastback Build Thread

Pelle · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:21 pm Post subject:

I think the bar from a 1969 411 might be what you're looking for. Mounts solid to the engine case and looks like a Type 3 bar on the ends. Will try to make a picture and post.

Nate M. · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject:

What would keep you from adding a spacers before the mounts on the bar to keep it from touching?? That early 914 mount is strong, light and easily modified in width to fit your car. Just sayin'. . .

I have a 912E bar and it's a monstrously heavy forged bar like the late 914 bar but its shaped more like a bus bar with different ends. That lug must weigh 25# at least!!
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For heaven's sake, put a type4 and a Porsche 5-speed in there. . . It's the right thing to do!!

Clatter · Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:25 am Post subject:

OK, back from two weeks surfing in Kauai'i; Polihale, Waikoko, Hanalei...
I got a good excuse. Cool

First, thanks again for the exceptional info, Nate.
Looks like the early 914 bar with a spacer plate under it will be just the ticket.
Am going to mock it up here in a couple of weeks when i get all of my work caught up.

On another note, here's another hang-up to check when building a type 4..
See how the locator pin for the fan hub is wallered out oblong?
Depending upon how it decides to locate the pin, you can have about a 4-6 degree variation in the timing mark(!)

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My guess is that this could happen a number of ways, like getting comething caught in the fan, but, maybe from years of using the alt pulley nut to turn the motor over like when setting valves?
Maybe?
I can promise you i'll look at that hole real careful like from now on.

Another urban legend, that has proven itself true, is the galvanic corrosion between mag and stainless.
Here we have some white fuzzy stuff forming between the trans case and mount bolt.
This stuff was kept inside the whole time.

Fixed with some black oxide coated grade 12 jobbies:

And, again, another hero comes through..
Brent!!
The parts he had laser-cut showed.
With a slight drum-sand with the ol' Dremel, the carb linkage arms press together.
Now that's a fit!
Will just tack them for now, and start mocking this all up for location purposes.
For those just tuning in, these are for DCNFs, to work with CSP linkage, and low type-4-into-type-3 conversion manifolds.
Can't be but us two in the world doing this here... Cool

The rest of you are likely smarter than that. Laughing

So, i got a couple weeks' work to do in the next few days, Laughing

but,
There should be a real update to this project sometime soon.
(At least that's what i keep saying...)
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eyetzr · Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:25 am Post subject:

When I took my car apart (oh so many years ago) I saw all these copper coated washers. I asked my engine builder & he said, keep them they stop that corrosion from happening. In the trucking industry we put Mylar tape between all steel & aluminum parts & paint the backside of washers
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I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done"

gavs · Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:11 pm Post subject:

Hey clatter, black oxide is just a surface conversion on steel and it will end up rusting mate. Found that out when a supplier sold us bolts that were supposedly e-coated and they started rusting. Best to find an e-coater or a zinc plater to plate those bolts for you otherwise you're still going to get galvanic corrosion issues, especially over there where you get road salting in winter and stuff....

The best option is black zinc plating with e-coat over the top, it's what we use for fasteners in toyota and nissan products we do.

Cheers,
Gav

MonT3 · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:51 pm Post subject:

Any updates?
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UncleWeno · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:37 am Post subject:

Clatter · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:26 pm Post subject:

Clatter · Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:40 am Post subject:

Well, a little bit o' progress...

The big progress was the Junk Parts Motor fired off and ran,
So it will be out of my hair, and the Fastback can move forward again!
WhooHoo!

It did prove useful for setting up my carbs.
As you will recall, Brent sent me some parts to build linkage arms for the DCNFs.
The center 'tube' part proved a bit too tight for the mounting nut at the end of the shaft.
So, a piece of shift rod proved to be the perfect size.
Thin-walled, and the perfect ID/OD.
Did one up just hacksawing off a piece of shift-rod and Mig-ing it together.
Will be using a lathe and Tig to build a couple sets properly later.
In the meantime, this first set will help to deermine measurements and such...

Here is the Driver's side - the 'tube' part of the arm mount is a bit longer than it needs to be.
Ideally, it should -just barely clear the pump arm...

Here we also have the preliminary bend-up of the linkage rod.
It runs straight across the plugs on both sides, unfortunately.

Makes it hard to get a full adjustment, dig?
Only going to be able to adjust one thread-width if the rods are bent like this.
There is a bit of slop in the manifold-to-carb mounting, and i was able to get the one-thread-with of adjustment out of it and cinch it down, but not really ideal.

This pic it a bit deceptive, as it all clears well.
Shows how the new linkage arm relates to the OG one.

Also need to fab up a stop for the arm side of the carb, so as not to twist the throttle shaft with my heavy foot at WOT.
Going to get a CB 'weblink' and see if it can be modified for the DCNFs.
Being light with my right foot is NOT an option.. Wink

So, there were a few pops from one of the carb throats at my initial start-up.
After i chase an oil leak on the Junker,
It will get it's 2nd 10-minute run-in,
And I'll start the tweaking process - re-adjust valves, set timing correctly, and then turn the screws on the carbs to get all perfect/sweet on this junk motor here.

Nice to have the carbs all dialed-in when it comes official start time.

Progress is progress....
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Bobnotch · Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:33 am Post subject:

Clatter · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:13 pm Post subject:

Dag, where does the time go??
I had three "whole" 'days' to work on stuff, and, um, well... here's what happened.

First off, the 'Cheap Junk' motor got run and finished.
Then it had to be put away.
Before that stinky thing was going to be put indoors, in my shop, it needed de-stink-ified.
First off, the 'gas' that was in the can when i ran it in was months (years?) old.
And it slobbered all over the motor.
Plus, there was an oil leak (see my STF build for details).
So, after run-in, all of that stuff got sprayed down with carb cleaner, and sprayed again, Simle-Greened, rinsed, and taken apart and left in the (January! Very Happy

) sun to off-gas for a day or two.
Man, that thing was stinking things up before i did this...

Then, it got the openings taped up, and it was rolled under a bench for storage until...?

Cleaning up the shop the hard way - build a motor so it takes up less space!

So, there had to be a pretty good-sized 'clean spot' made to store a whole motor.
Since i had been slacking/building this motor/on vacation for a couple of months, there was a LOT to be done to get the black car project back on track.
Spent one whole day getting the junk motor clean and put away, then another 'day' throwing away things that i will never use (who needs four dried-up bottles of wood glue anyways?) on and on.
Found the rear apron from Dave's car, and my profile gauge:

There were these outdoor speakers i got years ago that got hung up.
In doing so, i was squeezing a staple off in the staple gun, over my head with my left hand,
and,
Pop! the tendon on my ring finger got so bound up under my ring that it just let go and tore loose.
So no surfing, and only one-handed working on cars for a while..

However, using one hand, i got the old black car uncovered.
Remember this thing?
The dog doesn't seem too upset his house just got the roof opened up..

All of the removeables got stacked inside.
Way to bury the new motor, eh?

Look! I picked up the front clip and moved it! No, really, i did!

Made a mock-up-motor using an old Vanagon case, and found the transaxle and put it on the tranny jack.

Started cutting the old bent-up apron off.
Might as well get it out of the way for my motor-mount work..

Got it most of the way off before my hand started hurting..

Today, had some work to do, and ran a bunch of errands.
Got some dust masks, cartriges for the respirator, grinding wheels, etc.
Took the rear motor mount brackets in for a dust-off at the blaster.
Also found the mounts and various oil fill parts..

Went by the craft shop and got some poster board, so i can make right on my promise of apron templates.

And on and on with little cleanup tasks....
It took a few days, but my workbenches are clean,
The parts i need are front/center,
And everything i don't need is up and out of the way.

And,
While i can't really do much work for a while,
the Atrium sounds better with it's own speakers... Rolling Eyes

A dumb update, i know,
but,
this is what's happening, so here you go..!
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MonT3 · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:06 pm Post subject:

Clatter, looking good man, progress is progress and sorry your hand/finger got messed up. Hang in there as the toe healed up! It's ok, no need to post a pic, just keep pressing. Look forward to the next installment on putting that apron back in. I have to say that inside area looks sweet! But best yet is now you can get some more epoxy primer in there to seal it up real good!
The engine looks nice and although it's covered up, it's at least put together rather than a box of parts.
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Bobnotch · Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:45 am Post subject:

Suesanctuary · Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:21 pm Post subject:

Clatter · Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:58 pm Post subject:

A couple hours out there today.
Got the rest of the old apron off.
Got it ground/bodyworked so the new apron fits in place easily.

Going to just leave it off for a while.
Plenty to do getting the rest of this rear area straightened out from its fall off the stands.
It will also be really nice having the apron off when it comes time to fab the air intake, plus the rear mounts, etc.

With any luck, tomorrow will get some mock-up time with rear mounts.
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MonT3 · Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:33 am Post subject:

Looks really good man! Keep it up. That piece slipped in there really nice. With that spot welder of yours it would tack in then finish off what you have. Congrats man and recovery from a bit situation has it's good vibes. Cool

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Critter1 · Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:53 pm Post subject:

Looking good! I wish Gerson would start making these! No doubt there'd be plenty of interest.

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Clatter · Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:27 pm Post subject:

rwf8ball · Samba Member Joined: April 30, 2004 Posts: 234

In order to get the seat knob off you have to turn the assebley upside down.
There is a small hole in the knob put something in it like a nail or small punch, and push down while trying to pull the knob off. More down pressure than off pressure. Hope this helps.

Clatter · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:35 pm Post subject:


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