W110 cam in a 1600?

worton75 · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject:

Cheer sfor the links, unfortunately the UK one is under construction.
Any ideas on this cam (CB performance 2230)
Eagle Racing Cam - Adv. Duration 264° / Dur. @ .050" 220° / Lift @ cam .301" / Lift w/1.1:1 Rocker Arms .331"
Have found a used 1 for sale but not sure on the spec compared to the W100

SGKent · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:50 pm Post subject:

vw engines are a pain when a cam goes flat. It requires a complete tear down. If you want to risk installing a used cam and lifters that is up to you, I wouldn't. Did you try calling the people whose website was under construction? I did notice there was a phone number. You can also e-mail Scott at German Supply in Toronto to see what he would sell one for and what shipping would be. He does a lot of International shipping. I also noticed there were many places in Germany and France that sold them. With your Chunnel, how far can France be? Smile

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Desertbusman · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:12 pm Post subject:

No on a used cam. Rolling Eyes

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worton75 · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject:

SGKent · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:07 pm Post subject:

What RPM range do you normally like to drive at in your bus? Do you have a tachometer to tell you?

I will try to make a call to WebCam in Riverside tomorrow and see what they recommend for an engine that has the specs of the one you are designing, guessing at your driving style. Keep in mind that you need both HP and torque in a bus, but it is always torque that breaks things. Someone who always shifts in a spot where an engine has its most torque is more prone to break things. The ideal situation is to have enough torque to get you moving, and then have the camshaft and gearing that gets you up into the RPM range quickly and efficiently where the HP is made.

Only as a reference point - the hottest STOCK 914-4 / bus camshaft used in the North American market had peak HP at 4900 RPM. It only has a duration of 210/206 @ .050. I put one in my 1977 2.0L bus and it is very responsive for the way we drive.

The W-100 is at 236/236 @ .050. The W-110 is even more at 247/247 @ .050.

There is a thread here at the Samba from a well known engine builder where he recently made very impressive HP and torque using an Engle 240/240 duration cam designed to be run in a bug but the engine had some unresolved wear issues - rings or camshaft but we did not hear back on the actual cause. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=444730&highlight=nephew

This is the one I might chose but I will ask WebCam what they think:

Good all around for street or off-road. Can be used with higher lift rockers. (270/270 advertised; 234/234 @ .050)
http://www.webcamshafts.com/pages/automobile/volkswagen/install_data/tc_000670_002436.html

Here is the HP / torque curve on the 914-4 cam that has the 210/206 duration @ .050. As you can see, the torque curve is such that between 2800 RPM and 4500 RPM it is about flat. A driver would feel the acceleration rate slowing but the bus would continue to develop HP as high as 4900 RPM. A longer duration camshaft will generally move the curves to the right. Valve Lift, timing, lobe profile, exhaust and compression ratio all play a part too in this equation. The stock 1971 dual port 1600 bus made peak HP at 4400 RPM and peak torque at 3000 RPM. The cam I believe was 214/214 @ .050. The question becomes, how much higher RPM will you operate your bus engine at?

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SGKent · Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:05 pm Post subject:

I spoke with WebCam this morning, Webcam86 and a set of new lifters is what they said would go best in a street bus, more performance than stock but still mild. Should have a little more torque than a W-100
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worton75 · Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:22 am Post subject:

scrivyscriv · Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:01 pm Post subject:

Will stock single springs run well with a 100 cam? I saw that acnet says single HD springs with the 100 engle cam Think

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madmike · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:48 am Post subject:

I like the W110 in my combo Wink

good lowend and mid-range cam
HD single springs are what I used, heck their only $25 Laughing

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scrivyscriv · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:52 am Post subject:

Esher127 · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:31 am Post subject:

Amskeptic · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:44 am Post subject:

madmike · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:21 am Post subject:

What fun is that Laughing

yep double thrust cam bearings and straight cut gears Wink

I really don't need to get 100k from a motor Laughing

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Lionhart94010 · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:00 am Post subject:

Good that you have settled on a more suitable cam for a bus, in addition to double thrust can bearings, I would also highly recommend having your engine components balanced, adding a full flow oil filter and swivel/elephant feet valve adjusters to reduce the load on your valve stems/guides as well as reduce the need for valve adjustments.

And do anything else that makes your engine more efficient and reliable; probably noting will be more crucial than to have a very well tuned and jetted carburetor = having a $240 O2 fuel meter on your dash so you can tune it like a pro, otherwise with your non stock combination the odds of getting the AF even close to optimal is 1/100,000 ;0)

http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2926, add a couple dollars for a muffler shop to weld the bung into your exhaust system and perhaps some extension wire to get to the front of the bus…

In addition, since your stock style T1 engine can only dissipate 40-50 hp worth of heat from its heads on a continuous basis (going uphill/ pushing it on the freeway) any big HP improvements would only be useful for 30 second busts…
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