Author |
Message |
RosemaryT Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2015 Posts: 43 Location: Norfolk
|
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:07 am Post subject: Mexican Beetles - are they prevalent in the US? |
|
|
In my ongoing quest for The Perfect Super Beetle™ I've already stumbled across one Mexican Beetle.
Are they common in the US? I thought it was illegal to bring them into the United States. Is that not true?
And is there any easy/fast way to distinguish a Mexican Beetle from the real deal?
Thanks for any and all info.
Rosemary |
|
Back to top |
|
|
djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32632 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
|
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Mexican Beetles - are they prevalent in the US? |
|
|
RosemaryT wrote: |
...distinguish a Mexican Beetle from the real deal? |
VW made them, they too are the real deal. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
-------------------------
moped:
'82 Benelli Magnum 3v |
|
Back to top |
|
|
hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
|
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
Rosemary, there a few for sale on Samba. In the US are car must be 25 years or older to be legally imported.
There were a lot of Mexican Beetles imported via a company called BeetleMex in Arizona. They built a brand new Mexican Beetle on an older chasis. Here's an article from a 1999 Hot VW's that describes the process.
These cars are for sale all over the US and for the most part are identical to their 'pure' Mexican Beetle cousins. I know of one in Florida that just sold for $4K.
There also unmodified Mexican Beetles in the US (with a 17 digit VIN), I can't speak to any difficulties you may have licensing one of these.
I have a '96, here is Canada the import limit is 15 years, so I had no difficulty bringing the car in.
Here's the article that I referred to, good luck with your search:
_________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 2770 Location: Boston, MA
|
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
Mexican Beetles will look like the 73 standard model but a peek at the tranny will tell you: Mexico never got the IRS, all swingaxle.
Also the bumpers are different-they have blinkers, no blinkers on top of the fenders, and at some point a barrel key for an alarm system was installed on the drivers side, opposite of where the gas door would be. Different steering wheels, dash. Also the vents behind the rear windows are not there but the impression in the body panel still is. Also no chrome body trim.
Brazilians had the square speedo, in KPH naturally.
Basically a Mexican/South American bug will pop out at you with many, many small differences.
They are cool as hell in my opinion. _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
1977 WESTY "KrustyKamper" 2L FI
79SuperVert wrote: |
30 years from now, the next guy may not want your girlfriend, but he may want your classic car, depending on how nice you were to it. |
asiab3 wrote: |
Careful guys, a petulant child can grow up to be president these days. |
**winter drivers: no survivors!**rust warrior**#keepbodyshopsbusy** |
|
Back to top |
|
|
cletus_zuber Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2010 Posts: 2408 Location: Gladstone, Ore
|
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Mexican Beetles - are they prevalent in the US? |
|
|
RosemaryT wrote: |
In my ongoing quest for The Perfect Super Beetle™ I've already stumbled across one Mexican Beetle.
Rosemary |
Don't want to be Obvious Man, but the Super was never available in Mexico.
FYI if you didn't know, but you probably did. _________________ 1972 1302
HPMX 40's & 019 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
swhitcomb Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2003 Posts: 5673 Location: Inwood WV
|
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ROCKOROD71 wrote: |
Mexican Beetles will look like the 73 standard model but a peek at the tranny will tell you: Mexico never got the IRS, all swingaxle.
Also the bumpers are different-they have blinkers, no blinkers on top of the fenders, and at some point a barrel key for an alarm system was installed on the drivers side, opposite of where the gas door would be. Different steering wheels, dash. Also the vents behind the rear windows are not there but the impression in the body panel still is. Also no chrome body trim.
Brazilians had the square speedo, in KPH naturally.
Basically a Mexican/South American bug will pop out at you with many, many small differences.
They are cool as hell in my opinion. |
Yes they are cool as hell. I owned one when I was 17. Miss that car.
They also have the crescent in the rear quarter but it's never been cut for a vent. They have rocker style dash switch like Jettas and GTIs instead of the German push pull style. _________________ My 71 Ghia Been in my family since 1980
My Patina 66
My 74 Ghia
07 Boxster |
|
Back to top |
|
|
hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
|
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Just to be clear, the Mexican Beetles that have been referred to in this thread were built from 1993-2004. These are ones with the ECU, OBDII, Golf switches and seats, no crescent (although I think the 93's and 94's might have had that), disc brakes, electric Window Washer.
The chrome trim was dropped in '95, and re-added for the '04s.
'98 or '99 was when the alarm key switch was added.
Beetles were built in Mexico from every year from 1954-2003. The pre-'93s are much more like their German cousins except that all of the Mexican Beetles built have Swing Axles. _________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Her74buggy Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2013 Posts: 367 Location: Houston
|
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Mexican Beetles - are they prevalent in the US? |
|
|
GArBa wrote: |
RosemaryT wrote: |
...distinguish a Mexican Beetle from the real deal? |
VW made them, they too are the real deal. |
The real deal came from Germany. Mexico made a copy of the real deal. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
so, since us-spec beetles came from emden rather than wolfsburg, I guess with this line of reasoning they too are mere copies of the "real deal". _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
-------------------------
moped:
'82 Benelli Magnum 3v |
|
Back to top |
|
|
swhitcomb Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2003 Posts: 5673 Location: Inwood WV
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
hopkin wrote: |
Just to be clear, the Mexican Beetles that have been referred to in this thread were built from 1993-2004. These are ones with the ECU, OBDII, Golf switches and seats, no crescent (although I think the 93's and 94's might have had that), disc brakes, electric Window Washer.
The chrome trim was dropped in '95, and re-added for the '04s.
'98 or '99 was when the alarm key switch was added.
Beetles were built in Mexico from every year from 1954-2003. The pre-'93s are much more like their German cousins except that all of the Mexican Beetles built have Swing Axles. |
My 85 had rocker switches. Other then that it was almost identical to a 73 standard. Almost. _________________ My 71 Ghia Been in my family since 1980
My Patina 66
My 74 Ghia
07 Boxster |
|
Back to top |
|
|
hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
swhitcomb wrote: |
My 85 had rocker switches. Other then that it was almost identical to a 73 standard. Almost. |
I stand corrected , this '83 has the German style switches but a different steering wheel:
My '96:
_________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 2770 Location: Boston, MA
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
I'd be willing to bet it's because Germany was still making Beetles (Supers right?) until 1985, and was probably mandated to produce parts for the older ones for x years, so Mexicans of that era would share the switches, etc. Then when they didn't have to keep those parts around they switched to newer model switches.
Just a theory. See, this is why we need a Mexi-beetle forum! _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
1977 WESTY "KrustyKamper" 2L FI
79SuperVert wrote: |
30 years from now, the next guy may not want your girlfriend, but he may want your classic car, depending on how nice you were to it. |
asiab3 wrote: |
Careful guys, a petulant child can grow up to be president these days. |
**winter drivers: no survivors!**rust warrior**#keepbodyshopsbusy** |
|
Back to top |
|
|
hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
Sounds logical to me, both your reasoning about the parts and the forum.
One thing to note is that the radio on the later Mexican's is lower than then earlier cars. You can see in the 2 pictures above that the radio is lower. This gives more clearance behind for a newer style radio _________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
Here in the southwest I have scene them here and there. Nothing wrong with them. I would have one for sure. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Antonio Trejo VW Parts Dealer
Joined: December 17, 2003 Posts: 937 Location: Mexico City
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
I have a lot of loyal customers, mexican Beetle owners in The USA, Canada, Germany, Japan, Spain and over 20 countries since 2001, and my list is growing up every month.
Last year I sold and shipped to Europe (Belgium) and United Arab Emirates (Dubai) brand new Ultima Edition Beetles. In my humble opinion, after 12 years selling genuine VW Beetle parts and complete Beetles in The Samba, the market is going up. Just my $2 (mexican) cents. _________________ Parts VW
"From Volkswagen of Mexico factory..."
Genuine VW Sedan parts
Genuine VW Ultima Edition parts
Genuine VW Type 2 watercooled parts |
|
Back to top |
|
|
GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
hopkin wrote: |
this '83 has the German style switches |
I can't speak for mexican or other market beetles, but euro beetles made in mexico (1200L) had those same round switches until vw stopped importing beetles in europe around 1987. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
-------------------------
moped:
'82 Benelli Magnum 3v |
|
Back to top |
|
|
hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
hopkin wrote: |
swhitcomb wrote: |
My 85 had rocker switches. Other then that it was almost identical to a 73 standard. Almost. |
I stand corrected , this '83 has the German style switches but a different steering wheel:
My '96:
|
I found this picture in the gallery (alex857) of an '84 dash, still with pull switches:
_________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Volks Wagen Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2013 Posts: 2926 Location: Germany
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Mexican Beetles - are they prevalent in the US? |
|
|
RosemaryT wrote: |
And is there any easy/fast way to distinguish a Mexican Beetle from the real deal? |
_________________ 1973 1303 with AB-motor - sporadic
reconstruction as time permits, 1986 ex-Bundeswehr Doka - on the road again.
I'm definitely, probably, the worlds greatest lover.
Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
HRVW Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2011 Posts: 2531 Location: Rosarito, Mexico
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The later VW bugs made in Puebla Mexico are the REAL THING as the presses that punched out fenders, hoods etc all had the German name emblazed in large letters.
On a VIP tour to the plant in the mid 1980's saw over 70 stamping presses in one bldg. I marveled in the way a flat sheet was placed into a press and out came a front hood.....one after another.
VW had shipped machinery from Germany to Mexico to use.
I am probably one of the very few non VW employees to see their production assembly line as NO public tours existed then. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|