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Junkyardjockey
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 Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:25 pm Post subject: Looking to buy a new set of heads; recommendations? |
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OK I have looked at several options for a new set of heads for my 'stock' 1600 DP engine for my '74 Super. It's a 'stock' displacement engine, and the only items not necessarily stock are the forged chromoly 69mm counterweighted crank, lightened 8 dowel flywheel & forged chromoly stock journal rods. I have heard a lot of good & bad about particular castings (mainly china castings), but I see a few other ones have had issues too. I am not looking for any more power over stock, not looking for ported heads or anything fancy like that; I just want it to run good & last awhile. IF I find a decent pair of new heads that are bare; that's OK I already have all new valves & springs anyway.OK these are what I found so far:
1) Scat part # 25035
http://www.scatvw.com/master/cyl_heads/pro_port.shtml
I wasn't looking for hi rev springs, esp with a stock cam, but I guess that's OK. Will the bigger valves be an issue with a stock 1600cc? I really like the price & have not heard much bad about them. Casting origin unspecified.
2) Kaddie Shack deluxe DP
http://www.shop.kaddieshack.com/Deluxe-Dual-Port-C...1349-B.htm
Haven't found much bad or good about these; casting origin unknown, does look good & a very good price-looks ok.
3) CB performance stock heads
http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1656
Looks good; have heard either bad or good about these; auto linea (????) casting; decent price.
4) Mofoco MFC-CCH040-stock style new heads; bare
http://www.mofoco.com/category/New_Stock_VW_Heads/c152
Looks real good, great price, Made in USA  . I have heard mostly good about these & some bad as well.
5) Steve Tim's heads; 37.5x32 valves
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1069091
Looks OK; china casting  , good price; haven't heard much lately either way, could be good or bad I'm not sure....
Basically I would like the best heads I can get for under $500 a pair; so far for me it's either the Scats or Mofoco; mofoco keeps it under $400 a pair; a big plus in my book. So what are your thoughts, opinions & experiences here?? I haven't looked at any other major vw parts vendor; almost all of them are china castings. Your feedback is very appreciated! Thanks!
Ken
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Junkyardjockey
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Mofoco heads are good, Tims are great as well. Don't be put off by Tims china castings, they are a good set of heads that Tims take the time to setup and machine correctly.
I've never used DRD heads so I have no input on them. I would step up to the stock plus heads if you go Mofoco, you wont regret getting a good set of mild performance heads. |
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OK cool thank you for your input Bashr52! After I posted those links for the DRD heads I found a few horror stories about people never getting their parts after they paid  , but my opinion is still open at this point. Tims' heads & Mofoco are towards the top of my list at the moment. In gratitude for your reply here (lol), I reward you with pics of my '74 Super resto!
Please enjoy & thanks again!
Ken
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| Bashr52, are you referring to the 041 or 042 Mofoco heads when you mention 'stock plus' ?? |
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I see that aircooled.net also has several heads FS; the one they have listed as a 'chinese' casting has a 'made in mexico' & a 043 casting marks on it......hmmmmm....  ...confused here...lol... |
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You can also get DRD heads from ACN, so if they were not delivered you don't have a hassle.
My recommendation for a stock 1600 is the 043. The castings are great, but the main reason is most of the Chinese heads have 59-66cc chambers. That's a lot of extra chamber volume that lowered compression. They are best used for BIG engines, to get the CR where you need it.
The 043 and GO1 have smaller chambers, which work better on smaller engines. With the Chinese heads, you can flycut them, but you begin to run into problems as you flycut smaller than 53cc. So the Mexican ones are the best starting point.
Do your math and figure out what CR you want to run, order the heads in the chamber size you need. And make absolutely sure the heads do NOT have a step in them, IMO they are horrible.
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You can also get DRD heads from ACN, so if they were not delivered you don't have a hassle.
My recommendation for a stock 1600 is the 043. The castings are great, but the main reason is most of the Chinese heads have 59-66cc chambers. That's a lot of extra chamber volume that lowered compression. They are best used for BIG engines, to get the CR where you need it.
The 043 and GO1 have smaller chambers, which work better on smaller engines. With the Chinese heads, you can flycut them, but you begin to run into problems as you flycut smaller than 53cc. So the Mexican ones are the best starting point.
Do your math and figure out what CR you want to run, order the heads in the chamber size you need. And make absolutely sure the heads do NOT have a step in them, IMO they are horrible. |
John is right. Every head that I've ever built with a step over the last 40 years has failed. I'm just so stupid that I'm going to keep making a product that is horrible because I just don't care. 
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Could you guys clarify for me what a "step" is when we are talking about cylinder heads? And what are the claimed benefits/disadvantages?
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| Could you guys clarify for me what a "step" is when we are talking about cylinder heads? And what are the claimed benefits/disadvantages? |
This issue has been hammered to death already. If you do a search, there are a couple of locked threads discussing it.
On a side note, I now have a program written for my CNC so I can manufacture the heads with or without the step for the same price. I still sell 99% with the step but I want to cater to as many people as possible.
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Hey guys, thanks for all of the replies! I was doing some digging through my parts inventory today & found a set of OE VW heads that were all rebuilt with new parts; VW part # 043-101-375A, which I totally forgot were there!! However, one spark plug hole looks like it has half of a heli-coil insert in it,which I didn't know about;(doesn't even cover 1/2 of the threads!) looks like a repair was attempted once already. I have heard much positive feedback about Time-Serts, because if this will work it would save me a ton of money!!! So, I need to know the proper tool I need for this part # head & the correct time-sert insert for it. I want to stay with my German heads, so your add'l help is appreciated! Thanks!
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Hey guys, thanks for all of the replies! I was doing some digging through my parts inventory today & found a set of OE VW heads that were all rebuilt with new parts; VW part # 043-101-375A, which I totally forgot were there!! However, one spark plug hole looks like it has half of a heli-coil insert in it,which I didn't know about;(doesn't even cover 1/2 of the threads!) looks like a repair was attempted once already. I have heard much positive feedback about Time-Serts, because if this will work it would save me a ton of money!!! So, I need to know the proper tool I need for this part # head & the correct time-sert insert for it. I want to stay with my German heads, so your add'l help is appreciated! Thanks!
Ken
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Napa sells the spark plug insert kits which includes the ream/tap, the insert and the punch to stake the ends. They work great, just make sure to use red loctite when installing it.
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Thanks for the tip Roy; I just called our local NAPA, however they never heard of Time-Sert nor do they carry it. I am still waiting for ACN to return my email on the same question. Thanks again!
Ken
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Thanks for the tip Roy; I just called our local NAPA, however they never heard of Time-Sert nor do they carry it. I am still waiting for ACN to return my email on the same question. Thanks again!
Ken
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Yeah, should have warned you. They call it a helicoil save a thread kit. The part number for the complete kit, including short and long threads, is 5329-14.
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Thanks for the tip Roy; I just called our local NAPA, however they never heard of Time-Sert nor do they carry it. I am still waiting for ACN to return my email on the same question. Thanks again!
Ken
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You can also buy them on Amazon along w/installation tools:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_9/175-845...Caps%2C111
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Yes, Adrian has made beautiful heads that work. He is turning out some Mofoco 050's for me.
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OK update on my heads 'issue' here. I have the extra $$$ to buy new heads now, so along with new heads & the new stock mag case I ordered I'll have a zero mileage engine! I have a better idea of what I'm looking for in a head now: smallest stock combustion chamber, 3/4" reach spark plug holes (either 12mm or 14mm), stock 85.5 bore, stock valve size, stock rate single valve springs (not sure single hi rev springs are good with stock rockers & pushrods & stock cam), and the best quality stock style casting possible. I don't think I'd have to spend more than $500-$550; what's your opinion now? Are all of my 'requirements' possible on a head? Oh,btw, my rebuilt german heads will be for sale once I find my new heads Thanks again!
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