56 splitcase gearbox question.

anty71 · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:19 am Post subject: 56 splitcase gearbox question.

Hi,
I’m building up a 56 box, do these boxes use a plastic daisy bushing between the box itself and the axle tube.
I have a later splitcase box (59 I think) and it has them, but they don’t fit the 56 box, they're a bit big?

thanks for your help

Peter_N · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:44 am Post subject:

I'm working on a '56 splitcase also and it doesn't have them either.
I read somewhere on the samba in which year they were introduced but I can't remember the year.
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Peter_N · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:51 am Post subject:

Some more info on them
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118827
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anty71 · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:54 am Post subject:

Thanks for your replay, yeah I’ve read that they weren’t originally fitted but could be retrofitted.
I don’t think there are different sizes of them?
Have you refitted yours without them?

anty71 · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:08 am Post subject:

Thanks for the link mate.
The plastic daisy that fits my 59 split case doesn’t fit the 56,
So the question is, is there different sizes, or do these early trans not use them and we should just shim them out with the paper gaskets?

Peter_N · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:11 am Post subject:

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This is where I'm at now Laughing

This evening I'll check out the condition of the bearings and continue the dismantling.
First time I opened up a gearbox, so I'm still learning
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Peter_N · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:20 am Post subject:

I don't know how good your German language is, but I've found this site once:
http://www.dj-viela.de/dj-viela_kaefer-b-log/dj-vi...chron.html

In the text under the picture of the plastic daisy, the guy says about later type splitcase gearboxes with the plastic daisy (oct'58 and up?) "Die Kalotten des Gehäuses sind zu diesem Zweck um 1 mm tiefer gesenkt" which means something like "The domes of the (gearbox) housing are 1 mm lower for this purpose"

So I guess if you want to use the domes on an early splitcase, you have to shim the axle tubes 1 mm (on top of the normal shimming).
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anty71 · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:27 am Post subject:

same as that Laughing

I'm buttoned up again now and ready to put the tubes back on.

Just spoke to Cogbox here in the UK.

says that some did and some didn't use them, he would of thought that a 56 would but as the daisy of the 59 didn't fit, I shouldn't need to run them.

so, no bush, just pack them out with paper gaskets

anty71 · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:36 am Post subject:

interesting link thanks.

I guess will try bolting them up without and see how I get on then

as that seems to be factory

Low Bräu · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:42 pm Post subject:

I don't recall any of the split case boxes using the plastic flower.
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anty71 · Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:28 am Post subject:

OK thanks, makes me breathe a bit easier bolting the tubes back up.
Just didn't want get the whole thing built up and find out I have pull the trans out again.
Thanks for your help

Dave Byron · Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:09 am Post subject:

No the early boxes don't use them. As you say you just shim the tubes with the gaskets. Just did our 57 split case box and no plastic daisy's

Peter_N · Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:39 am Post subject:

Did you guys have to replace a lot of internal parts?
I'm trying to source parts now, but it's not easy. You got some tips you could share Smile

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Bruce · Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:39 pm Post subject:

Samba ads.
Nothing is repro'd for split case gearboxes, so it's either good used or NOS.
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anty71 · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:22 am Post subject:

I was lucky my box had reportedly only done 25k and when I opened it I believed him.
It was mint, so just had to button it back up.

Peter_N · Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:25 pm Post subject:


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