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trh351
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-Zodiac-
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Or is it!
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BluzBug
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I grabbed the Video from YouTube:
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-Zodiac-
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here's some that I cant find much about. are they both fake?
I like the idea of a backseat 
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-Zodiac-
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Thanks john, interesting reads. Would love to have that model with the wrap around rear window - apparently neither exist today
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didget69
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here's some that I cant find much about. are they both fake?
I like the idea of a backseat |
Door looks longer than on regular Ghia -
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The two cars pictured above are indeed real and did exist for a time. They were handbuilt prototypes by Ghia in Turin, Italy, built to show Volkswagen top brass the Ghia concepts for a four-seater Beetle replacement, circa 1954.
Ghia, nor Karmann, nor Volkswagen ever did pursue a "station wagon" or "shooting break" version of the Karmann Ghia. At the time, a wagon was considered the antithesis of cool or elegant, exactly the opposite of what the ultra-conservative company was after with the Ghia. They would point you right at any of the Type 2 models to better suit your needs.
Ironically, the first mass-market "sports wagon" I can think of was a styling cousin to the Type 14: the Volvo P1800ES of 1972, itself developed from the Volvo P1800/P1800S, which was originally styled by a Swedish intern at Carrosseria Frua in 1959, which itself was a studio re-formed by ex-Ghia employees around 1957, after having originally been absorbed by Ghia a few years prior. Frua also was responsible for the Renault Floride and Caravelle, which were rear-engined direct competitors to the Type 14 and 34 Karmann-Ghias, with styling roughly approximating that of the Type 34 and concurrent Beutler VW/Porsche Coupe, albeit in 7/8 scale! Pietro Frua evidently styled the Renault while still in the employ of Ghia, and took the design with him when he left, to much controversy.
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tisius
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gimme a break
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| Ironically, the first mass-market "sports wagon" I can think of was a styling cousin to the Type 14: the Volvo P1800ES of 1972, itself developed from the Volvo P1800/P1800S, which was originally styled by a Swedish intern at Carrosseria Frua in 1959, which itself was a studio re-formed by ex-Ghia employees around 1957, after having originally been absorbed by Ghia a few years prior. |
I'm a big fan of the Volvo P1800ES (and the coupe P1800, P1800S, and P1800E), but I think the two-door 1955-7 Chevy Nomad predated the P1800ES by quite some time.
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mountainkowboy
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| Ironically, the first mass-market "sports wagon" I can think of was a styling cousin to the Type 14: the Volvo P1800ES of 1972, itself developed from the Volvo P1800/P1800S, which was originally styled by a Swedish intern at Carrosseria Frua in 1959, which itself was a studio re-formed by ex-Ghia employees around 1957, after having originally been absorbed by Ghia a few years prior. |
I'm a big fan of the Volvo P1800ES (and the coupe P1800, P1800S, and P1800E), but I think the two-door 1955-7 Chevy Nomad predated the P1800ES by quite some time. |
The Ford 2dr Ranchwagon is older than the Nomad, they came out in 52.
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retrowagen
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| Ironically, the first mass-market "sports wagon" I can think of was a styling cousin to the Type 14: the Volvo P1800ES of 1972, itself developed from the Volvo P1800/P1800S, which was originally styled by a Swedish intern at Carrosseria Frua in 1959, which itself was a studio re-formed by ex-Ghia employees around 1957, after having originally been absorbed by Ghia a few years prior. |
I'm a big fan of the Volvo P1800ES (and the coupe P1800, P1800S, and P1800E), but I think the two-door 1955-7 Chevy Nomad predated the P1800ES by quite some time. |
The Ford 2dr Ranchwagon is older than the Nomad, they came out in 52. |
Quite right on both accounts, but neither of these two vehicles had sporty pretentions. They were more spiritual predecessors of the type 3 squareback, if nothing else.
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mountainkowboy
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| Ironically, the first mass-market "sports wagon" I can think of was a styling cousin to the Type 14: the Volvo P1800ES of 1972, itself developed from the Volvo P1800/P1800S, which was originally styled by a Swedish intern at Carrosseria Frua in 1959, which itself was a studio re-formed by ex-Ghia employees around 1957, after having originally been absorbed by Ghia a few years prior. |
I'm a big fan of the Volvo P1800ES (and the coupe P1800, P1800S, and P1800E), but I think the two-door 1955-7 Chevy Nomad predated the P1800ES by quite some time. |
The Ford 2dr Ranchwagon is older than the Nomad, they came out in 52. |
Quite right on both accounts, but neither of these two vehicles had sporty pretentions. They were more spiritual predecessors of the type 3 squareback, if nothing else. |
Actually the 57 & 58 Del Rio Ford wagon was advertised as a sport wagon
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Aargh, I give up.
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I'm with you, Dave! ^^^^^^^
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