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Hodakaguy
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photogdave
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davevickery
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Your van is awesome! I can't believe you want to sell it ... |
It must be the journey not the destination.
As for price, someone always has to set the new top of market in an appreciating market. The crappiest syncro westies all stock with warts and issues are 15-20K. The nicest stock ones are 25-30K. Under 60K original miles, probably adds another 10K. There was one in Boulder, bone stock but incredible condition that was listed for $41 and isn't listed anymore after a couple months. I presume sold.
Now add the normal upgrades. Most high end buyers are going to want all the normal stuff. A 2.5 subaru is 15K with everything done perfectly and it is probably the most common and sought after engine conversion unlike some others that would reduce the number of potential buyers. Add wheels, bumpers, suspension, exterior accessories, other cool features like recaros or super solar or stereo system. Those are pretty standard upgrades for a nice Syncro Westy to get and probably costs another 10K. That brings the tally to $65K and there are probably some other nice things in the build I didn't notice. So 85K seems like a fine deal to me. Besides, there is no competition at the top of the market. $100,000 sold to someone in Saudi Arabia is conceivable. 100K is a weekend vacation for a shiek. How many syncro westies you think there are cruising around over there. |
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SyncroChrick
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. Besides, there is no competition at the top of the market. $100,000 sold to someone in Saudi Arabia is conceivable. 100K is a weekend vacation for a shiek. How many syncro westies you think there are cruising around over there. |
Given that for $85K you don't even get A/C, I would say not very many....
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davevickery
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Given that for $85K you don't even get A/C, I would say not very many....
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WTF, no AC! I just read the "Note: that the AC can be made functional if the buyer prefers to have working AC" Uh, yah, working AC is better than non-working AC. |
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Zeitgeist 13
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| A 2.5 subaru is 15K with everything done perfectly and it is probably the most common and sought after engine conversion |
Highly subjective
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insyncro
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| A 2.5 subaru is 15K with everything done perfectly and it is probably the most common and sought after engine conversion |
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Agreed and will blow any chance of a California sale, unless said Cali buyer is will to play craps and loose big....speaking of which Nevada is following suit. |
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luVWagn
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| A 2.5 subaru is 15K with everything done perfectly and it is probably the most common and sought after engine conversion |
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Agreed and will blow any chance of a California sale, unless said Cali buyer is will to play craps and loose big....speaking of which Nevada is following suit. |
Your favored H6 conversion would also have ruled out a California sale... 
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insyncro
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| luVWagn wrote: |
| insyncro wrote: |
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| A 2.5 subaru is 15K with everything done perfectly and it is probably the most common and sought after engine conversion |
Highly subjective |
Agreed and will blow any chance of a California sale, unless said Cali buyer is will to play craps and loose big....speaking of which Nevada is following suit. |
Your favored H6 conversion would also have ruled out a California sale... |
Right, my fav., Cali gets the 1.8T for the spenders and all the Subaru schwag for the rest....I couldn't care less about diesels in a Vanagon, they can have those too 
I mentioned the H6 because the build thread started out all juiced up over an H6, than Tom saw what was involved and bailed, just like his Buddy...who now realizes after towing, the 2.5 is a dog in comparison.
The average yearly difference in gasoline...about $500, not a big deal for most, but I know how frugal some van owners can be...all too well.
And for the record, the Bostig conversion is what I feel works best for most Vanagons....also not available in Cali, I'm fine with that too. |
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Hodakaguy
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Syncro Jael
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When my EJ22 finally needed replacement I looked at bumping up to the 2.5. But since it already had the Calif compliance plaque I decided to stay with the same engine. I figured it kept a larger market open if it ever was sold.
Love your build. And I hope you get all you can when sold. I don't believe I could duplicate yours without being near that budget.
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ThankYouJerry
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GW's Recently Sold Westies... just for a point of reference:
Year Type Model Miles Trans. Cost Sold
1990 Vanagon Weekender 92,788 Automatic $71,124.25 02/15
2002 Eurovan Weekender 155,123 Automatic $59,434.87 02/15
1987 Vanagon Full Camper 277,050 Automatic $71,755.40 01/15
1991 Vanagon Weekender Syncro 280,897 Manual $79,427.22 01/15
1990 Vanagon Full Camper Syncro 247,801 Manual $79,191.96 01/15
1999 Eurovan Full Camper 119,451 Automatic $47,760.41 12/14
1991 Vanagon Full Camper 189,875 Automatic $66,754.55 07/14
2002 Eurovan Full Camper 41,697 Manual $62,058.50 07/14
1991 Vanagon Full Camper 95,206 Automatic $74,967.67 04/14
1987 Vanagon Hard Top Syncro 100,736 Manual $47,664.80 01/14
1991 Vanagon Full Camper Syncro 112,119 Manual $83,251.21 12/13
1997 Eurovan Full Camper 94,263 Automatic $37,817.59 11/13
1987 Vanagon Weekender Syncro 90,153 Manual $80,622.68 11/13
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whynotvw
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I had two 21 window bus and a 23 window bus in 2003. I thought I got good prices for them when I sold them back then. Now they're worth five times more, if not more. I could've paid off my house and bought another one if I held on to to them. 
So whats my point? I don't have one.  Since I own a Syncrowesty I hope Hodakaguy gets what he is asking. Who knows maybe in 5 years $85k was a good price.
I did restore some nice show VW's in the past and I could tell you it cost 3-4 times as much more then what people think its going to cost. Here are some past restorations.
1965 factory 11 window with factory sunroof sold $18k 2004 worth $50k now
I'll take $84k
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PDXWesty
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I'll take $84k
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At least yours has a new tent!
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Slightly off topic, but related to the strange values of older automobiles. The other day on the tube I saw an auto auction. A restored 1968 Corvette convertible in beautiful full resto shape, low miles, sold for $24,000. A 1956 Chevy Nomad wagon, also in perfect full resto shape, sold for around $74,000. Now imagine you're a kid in 1968 America. Which car would you rather be driving? A Corvette or Mom's station wagon?
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BavarianWrench
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http://santafe.craigslist.org/cto/4983975332.html
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GW's Recently Sold Westies... just for a point of reference:
Year Type Model Miles Trans. Cost Sold
1990 Vanagon Weekender 92,788 Automatic $71,124.25 02/15
2002 Eurovan Weekender 155,123 Automatic $59,434.87 02/15
1987 Vanagon Full Camper 277,050 Automatic $71,755.40 01/15
1991 Vanagon Weekender Syncro 280,897 Manual $79,427.22 01/15
1990 Vanagon Full Camper Syncro 247,801 Manual $79,191.96 01/15
1999 Eurovan Full Camper 119,451 Automatic $47,760.41 12/14
1991 Vanagon Full Camper 189,875 Automatic $66,754.55 07/14
2002 Eurovan Full Camper 41,697 Manual $62,058.50 07/14
1991 Vanagon Full Camper 95,206 Automatic $74,967.67 04/14
1987 Vanagon Hard Top Syncro 100,736 Manual $47,664.80 01/14
1991 Vanagon Full Camper Syncro 112,119 Manual $83,251.21 12/13
1997 Eurovan Full Camper 94,263 Automatic $37,817.59 11/13
1987 Vanagon Weekender Syncro 90,153 Manual $80,622.68 11/13 |
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j_dirge
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http://santafe.craigslist.org/cto/4983975332.html
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GW's Recently Sold Westies... just for a point of reference:
Year Type Model Miles Trans. Cost Sold
1990 Vanagon Weekender 92,788 Automatic $71,124.25 02/15
2002 Eurovan Weekender 155,123 Automatic $59,434.87 02/15
1987 Vanagon Full Camper 277,050 Automatic $71,755.40 01/15
1991 Vanagon Weekender Syncro 280,897 Manual $79,427.22 01/15
1990 Vanagon Full Camper Syncro 247,801 Manual $79,191.96 01/15
1999 Eurovan Full Camper 119,451 Automatic $47,760.41 12/14
1991 Vanagon Full Camper 189,875 Automatic $66,754.55 07/14
2002 Eurovan Full Camper 41,697 Manual $62,058.50 07/14
1991 Vanagon Full Camper 95,206 Automatic $74,967.67 04/14
1987 Vanagon Hard Top Syncro 100,736 Manual $47,664.80 01/14
1991 Vanagon Full Camper Syncro 112,119 Manual $83,251.21 12/13
1997 Eurovan Full Camper 94,263 Automatic $37,817.59 11/13
1987 Vanagon Weekender Syncro 90,153 Manual $80,622.68 11/13 |
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Those GW sold prices ARE in California.. where the cost of almost everything is at a premium.. Real estate, rent, gas, food (to a lesser degree)
And salaries are, accordingly, a bit better..
Not to forget, these are smogged, CA CARB, legal vans.
You could probably adjust down by 15-20% for the greater market.. given GW's location (although they are out in a relatively undeveloped area of CA, they are within a few hrs drive of the LA basin.. and a reasonable day's drive from the Bay Area.
I'd be curious to see how many vans GW sells out of state.
But if there are a lot more Tom Hankses out there, that pricing would be climbing.
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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PDXWesty
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Go Westy prices include all labor to restore a van and in no way reflects the actual value of the vans themselves. A $50k GW van will be worth $25k the second you drive it off the lot. Private party sales will typically not include labor in the asking price. GW has an article on their site explaining how they price. Go read it. Have a GW van appraised after a sale and it won't be worth near what was paid. People see these prices as comps and they are not.
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Xtremjeepn
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| Go Westy prices include all labor to restore a van and in no way reflects the actual value of the vans themselves. A $50k GW van will be worth $25k the second you drive it off the lot. Private party sales will typically not include labor in the asking price. GW has an article on their site explaining how they price. Go read it. Have a GW van appraised after a sale and it won't be worth near what was paid. People see these prices as comps and they are not. |
But if you bought a van that needed the same level of work then it would cost the same to get it to a similar level of finish.
So in that sense they are realistic prices to quote.
Too often people buy a van, dump an extra $25k into plus time and effort that they don't account for. That is their loss!
Also, you need to consider that the GoWesty vans are sold with the labor and parts done with ZERO miles on them. Most owners do mods and then put 50k miles on them over a few years. You can't count those the same as ZERO mile/time mods/repairs! There is a premium to be paid for brand new installed parts! |
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insyncro
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I highly recommend that Tom has his van professionally appraised.
Take that value, let's just say it comes in at $85,000...the buyer will have to pay tax on that amount if they want it also insured for that amount.
Sure there are ways around all of this, but than if the van is totaled, the owner is out a bunch of cash as the insurance company will not give you a penny more than you paid tax on...if even half that.
So, knowing what you are willing to spend to insure the van really dictates what your budget is to make an offer on the van.
Running any vehicle that you paid over 50 grand for with only basic insurance and no appraisal is.....not smart. |
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